Yeah, sorry for being an ass about that. :[
Last I remember that showing up was when Mike's was being all observant about something we were both reading--Monster, I think? Buddha? The art had been flipped, but the text translated correctly, so when someone's handed-ness came up as a plot point, then there was the whole "wait, what?" It's hard to go back to not noticing that sort of thing after it's been pointed out.
It was like suddenly I discovered the comic actually was taking place in Rand McNally, where people wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people.
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by Clark » Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:17 pm
Or maybe it took place on Fibber Island.
So, am I the only one who feels weird about the whole
Persona: Magical "An Hero" Dungeon
or
Persona: High School Prince Maker
thing going with this game?
Or the lack of a manual control option for party members? What is this, Dragon Warrior IV?
So, am I the only one who feels weird about the whole
Persona: Magical "An Hero" Dungeon
or
Persona: High School Prince Maker
thing going with this game?
Or the lack of a manual control option for party members? What is this, Dragon Warrior IV?
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by Molokidan » Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:08 pm
I like that dual nature aspect of it,personally. Well, possibly only because it's done especially well here.
And yeah, that is annoying. But I just kinda got used to it.
And yeah, that is annoying. But I just kinda got used to it.
"Well slap a dead fish on me and call me Molokidan!"
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by NamagomiMk0 » Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:21 pm
To be fair, the AI in Persona 3 is damn good compared to other games--including such games as Star Ocean 3 and the aforementioned Dragon Quest 4. Including the fact that you can control them within specific parameters (assigning targets, ordering them to knock down targets, or making them go on support), I say that the AI isn't NEARLY as bad as it could be.
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by BrainWalker » Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:17 pm
The AI is usually good, but I swear to God, the next time one of my teammates wastes their turn casting a buff on someone who doesn't need it when they could have easily ended the battle, I'm going to kill myself.
So you guys probably won't see me again after tonight.
So you guys probably won't see me again after tonight.
Anime is kind of like fish in that it is better the less "fishy" it is.
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by NamagomiMk0 » Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:28 pm
Just switch the party command to Full Assault and that should rectify the issue.
...still miles beyond the SO3 AI that lets you get stunlocked to death without any way out.
...still miles beyond the SO3 AI that lets you get stunlocked to death without any way out.
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by PriamNevhausten » Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:29 pm
Just switch the party to Knock Down and that solves the issue.
I don't mind the other party members acting independently, really. If I really really wanted them to attack instead of do anything else, that triangle button is millimeters away. Besides, it's good to be reminded that you are controlling YOU, and not some arbitrary group of people. These other folks have lives and personalities and failings and strengths. But you are their leader, and they will listen to you if you just take half a second to tell them what to do.
And what is this "An Hero" shit I keep seeing in places about this game?
I don't mind the other party members acting independently, really. If I really really wanted them to attack instead of do anything else, that triangle button is millimeters away. Besides, it's good to be reminded that you are controlling YOU, and not some arbitrary group of people. These other folks have lives and personalities and failings and strengths. But you are their leader, and they will listen to you if you just take half a second to tell them what to do.
And what is this "An Hero" shit I keep seeing in places about this game?
"You haven't told me what I'm looking for."
"Anything that might be of interest to Slitscan. Which is to say, anything that might be of interest to Slitscan's audience. Which is best visualized as a vicious, lazy, profoundly ignorant, perpetually hungry organism craving the warm god-flesh of the anointed. Personally I like to imagine something the size of a baby hippo, the color of a week-old boiled potato, that lives by itself, in the dark, in a double-wide on the outskirts of Topeka. It's covered with eyes and it sweats constantly. The sweat runs into those eyes and makes them sting. It has no mouth, Laney, no genitals, and can only express its mute extremes of murderous rage and infantile desire by changing the channels on a universal remote. Or by voting in presidential elections."
--Colin Laney and Kathy Torrance, William Gibson's Idoru
"Anything that might be of interest to Slitscan. Which is to say, anything that might be of interest to Slitscan's audience. Which is best visualized as a vicious, lazy, profoundly ignorant, perpetually hungry organism craving the warm god-flesh of the anointed. Personally I like to imagine something the size of a baby hippo, the color of a week-old boiled potato, that lives by itself, in the dark, in a double-wide on the outskirts of Topeka. It's covered with eyes and it sweats constantly. The sweat runs into those eyes and makes them sting. It has no mouth, Laney, no genitals, and can only express its mute extremes of murderous rage and infantile desire by changing the channels on a universal remote. Or by voting in presidential elections."
--Colin Laney and Kathy Torrance, William Gibson's Idoru
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by Clark » Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:37 pm
I don't get the whole "An Hero" thing either. I mean, I know what it refers to (suicide, specifically by shooting one's self in the head). But where did it come from?
ED is really bad about this sometimes, giving a bajillion examples on a page supposedly "explaining" something, but giving no actual explanation.
Examples are good, but explanations are also good, and what about etymology?
Yeah, the way you activate your powers is really emo in this game.
The blue room is cool. It's creepy and reminds me of a dream I had once with a big room sized elevator. That might be why I find it creepy though.
As for verbing "ID" Well, I don't know how you'd spell it, but there is the cop show "Eye-Deed the suspect" thing, but that is different from being asked to show ID.
Anyway, I just tend to like having control over the party. Any dumb things like unneeded buffs or using an attack spell on an enemy with 1hp left just make me cringe. I also dislike having to set up all-out attacks with only Main-Guy. My precious MP!
How soon can you get MP Thief or some sort of Auto MP recovery?
ED is really bad about this sometimes, giving a bajillion examples on a page supposedly "explaining" something, but giving no actual explanation.
Examples are good, but explanations are also good, and what about etymology?
Yeah, the way you activate your powers is really emo in this game.
The blue room is cool. It's creepy and reminds me of a dream I had once with a big room sized elevator. That might be why I find it creepy though.
As for verbing "ID" Well, I don't know how you'd spell it, but there is the cop show "Eye-Deed the suspect" thing, but that is different from being asked to show ID.
Anyway, I just tend to like having control over the party. Any dumb things like unneeded buffs or using an attack spell on an enemy with 1hp left just make me cringe. I also dislike having to set up all-out attacks with only Main-Guy. My precious MP!
How soon can you get MP Thief or some sort of Auto MP recovery?
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by PriamNevhausten » Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:39 pm
You can actually set up all-outs on anyone.
I don't remember what the first thing is that gets Spirit Drain, but I got it first on a level 54 Persona. Auto MP recovery comes much faster at Nandi, which is something like level 32, skill Cool Breeze. Also of note is a Velvet (not blue) Room quest that gets you a Wizard's Mark accessory, which gives you 7 MP per turn.
Also also, those amusingly-named sodas out of the machines? Those give you 5 MP restoration each. You can buy eighty Mad Bulls, and keep 'em around for emergency MP.
Also, you know a lot more about this An Hero stuff than I do. How do you figure it has to do with shooting folk in the head?
Also also, if you are afraid your party member will do something stupid and you want them to just do a physical attack on the one last target, press triangle to into rush mode and they will physically attack it! PROBLEM SOLVED. All you have to do is pay attention.
I don't remember what the first thing is that gets Spirit Drain, but I got it first on a level 54 Persona. Auto MP recovery comes much faster at Nandi, which is something like level 32, skill Cool Breeze. Also of note is a Velvet (not blue) Room quest that gets you a Wizard's Mark accessory, which gives you 7 MP per turn.
Also also, those amusingly-named sodas out of the machines? Those give you 5 MP restoration each. You can buy eighty Mad Bulls, and keep 'em around for emergency MP.
Also, you know a lot more about this An Hero stuff than I do. How do you figure it has to do with shooting folk in the head?
Also also, if you are afraid your party member will do something stupid and you want them to just do a physical attack on the one last target, press triangle to into rush mode and they will physically attack it! PROBLEM SOLVED. All you have to do is pay attention.
"You haven't told me what I'm looking for."
"Anything that might be of interest to Slitscan. Which is to say, anything that might be of interest to Slitscan's audience. Which is best visualized as a vicious, lazy, profoundly ignorant, perpetually hungry organism craving the warm god-flesh of the anointed. Personally I like to imagine something the size of a baby hippo, the color of a week-old boiled potato, that lives by itself, in the dark, in a double-wide on the outskirts of Topeka. It's covered with eyes and it sweats constantly. The sweat runs into those eyes and makes them sting. It has no mouth, Laney, no genitals, and can only express its mute extremes of murderous rage and infantile desire by changing the channels on a universal remote. Or by voting in presidential elections."
--Colin Laney and Kathy Torrance, William Gibson's Idoru
"Anything that might be of interest to Slitscan. Which is to say, anything that might be of interest to Slitscan's audience. Which is best visualized as a vicious, lazy, profoundly ignorant, perpetually hungry organism craving the warm god-flesh of the anointed. Personally I like to imagine something the size of a baby hippo, the color of a week-old boiled potato, that lives by itself, in the dark, in a double-wide on the outskirts of Topeka. It's covered with eyes and it sweats constantly. The sweat runs into those eyes and makes them sting. It has no mouth, Laney, no genitals, and can only express its mute extremes of murderous rage and infantile desire by changing the channels on a universal remote. Or by voting in presidential elections."
--Colin Laney and Kathy Torrance, William Gibson's Idoru
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by Clark » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:04 am
The "An Hero" thing is from that 4th channel and that Encyclopedia of Drama.
Sometimes I like to look at message boards and watch flame wars. "An Hero" turned up a lot, so I tried to figure out what it meant.
So triangle goes into auto attack? I was afraid it went into auto repeat what you just did, which would be no help.
How is level 32 slower than level 54? o.o Can't you only use things that are equal or lower levels than you are?
Alright MP steal, MP walk recovery AND MP recovery per turn. Are these available for all, or only main guy?
Sometimes I like to look at message boards and watch flame wars. "An Hero" turned up a lot, so I tried to figure out what it meant.
So triangle goes into auto attack? I was afraid it went into auto repeat what you just did, which would be no help.
How is level 32 slower than level 54? o.o Can't you only use things that are equal or lower levels than you are?
Alright MP steal, MP walk recovery AND MP recovery per turn. Are these available for all, or only main guy?
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by NamagomiMk0 » Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:28 am
Mitsuru learns Spirit Drain at some point. And again, you can equip the Wizard's Mark on anyone. I don't think anyone else gains it.
And I think he meant slower insofar as the amount of SP recovered goes. Spirit Drain sucks about 15 SP total, accounting for the cost, IIRC. The passives...are slow. Very slow.
And I think he meant slower insofar as the amount of SP recovered goes. Spirit Drain sucks about 15 SP total, accounting for the cost, IIRC. The passives...are slow. Very slow.
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by PriamNevhausten » Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:25 pm
Actually in saying "Less faster" I meant "less slowly" or just "faster," and got my morphemes confused.
You can use sodas and ____(chewing/snuff) soul items on anyone for MP recovery. I think someone might get Invigorate, too, which adds a certain amount of MP per turn (3 MP for Invigorate 1, 5 MP for Invigorate 2, and 7 MP for Invigorate 3), but don't quote me on that.
Cool Breeze is not an MP walk skill, mind; it's an HP/MP boost at the end of battles.
And yes, Triangle goes into Rush mode, which is basically "Hey, everyone! Physically attack an enemy of some sort!"
And Spirit Drain consumes 6 MP to cast, and drains up to 20 MP (presuming the target has that much to drain). It's not really any faster than the other ways, considering it eats your turn where the others (Invigorate and Cool Breeze, for those just tuning in) do not.
Ideally, have Cool Breeze on your Persona, have the Wizard's Mark on (which grants Invigorate 3), and cast Spirit Drain. And then drink some Nastea and Dr. Salt.
Or just go back to floor 1. Your MP and HP are restored completely when you do this.
You can use sodas and ____(chewing/snuff) soul items on anyone for MP recovery. I think someone might get Invigorate, too, which adds a certain amount of MP per turn (3 MP for Invigorate 1, 5 MP for Invigorate 2, and 7 MP for Invigorate 3), but don't quote me on that.
Cool Breeze is not an MP walk skill, mind; it's an HP/MP boost at the end of battles.
And yes, Triangle goes into Rush mode, which is basically "Hey, everyone! Physically attack an enemy of some sort!"
And Spirit Drain consumes 6 MP to cast, and drains up to 20 MP (presuming the target has that much to drain). It's not really any faster than the other ways, considering it eats your turn where the others (Invigorate and Cool Breeze, for those just tuning in) do not.
Ideally, have Cool Breeze on your Persona, have the Wizard's Mark on (which grants Invigorate 3), and cast Spirit Drain. And then drink some Nastea and Dr. Salt.
Or just go back to floor 1. Your MP and HP are restored completely when you do this.
"You haven't told me what I'm looking for."
"Anything that might be of interest to Slitscan. Which is to say, anything that might be of interest to Slitscan's audience. Which is best visualized as a vicious, lazy, profoundly ignorant, perpetually hungry organism craving the warm god-flesh of the anointed. Personally I like to imagine something the size of a baby hippo, the color of a week-old boiled potato, that lives by itself, in the dark, in a double-wide on the outskirts of Topeka. It's covered with eyes and it sweats constantly. The sweat runs into those eyes and makes them sting. It has no mouth, Laney, no genitals, and can only express its mute extremes of murderous rage and infantile desire by changing the channels on a universal remote. Or by voting in presidential elections."
--Colin Laney and Kathy Torrance, William Gibson's Idoru
"Anything that might be of interest to Slitscan. Which is to say, anything that might be of interest to Slitscan's audience. Which is best visualized as a vicious, lazy, profoundly ignorant, perpetually hungry organism craving the warm god-flesh of the anointed. Personally I like to imagine something the size of a baby hippo, the color of a week-old boiled potato, that lives by itself, in the dark, in a double-wide on the outskirts of Topeka. It's covered with eyes and it sweats constantly. The sweat runs into those eyes and makes them sting. It has no mouth, Laney, no genitals, and can only express its mute extremes of murderous rage and infantile desire by changing the channels on a universal remote. Or by voting in presidential elections."
--Colin Laney and Kathy Torrance, William Gibson's Idoru
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by Capntastic » Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:43 pm
Just ordered this off'a da net. Will have within a week maybe.
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by BrainWalker » Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:59 pm
Oh, so that's what Rush does. I thought it just turned on AI for the protagonist.
Anyway, I really dig the orders you can give your party, and I really dig that you get more as the game goes on. "Knock Down" = <3. However, I don't particularly dig that there's no way to make a particular character stick with a particular order all the time. Everybody goes back to default orders at the end (or beginning?) of combat, which is usually okay, but for Junpei, I think a "stop fucking casting rakukaja, goddamnit!" semi-permament order would be great.
Anyway, I really dig the orders you can give your party, and I really dig that you get more as the game goes on. "Knock Down" = <3. However, I don't particularly dig that there's no way to make a particular character stick with a particular order all the time. Everybody goes back to default orders at the end (or beginning?) of combat, which is usually okay, but for Junpei, I think a "stop fucking casting rakukaja, goddamnit!" semi-permament order would be great.
Anime is kind of like fish in that it is better the less "fishy" it is.
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by Besyanteo » Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:26 pm
I got to try it at Priam's place. Sure enough, the minute I got the other $20 I needed I went out and bought my own copy. I'll have to start over with new data, but that's not such a bad thing really. I was only a few levels into Tartarus. ... Also, I haven't had that problem with Junpei yet, but I've seen it on Priam's game. The only sure fire solution for it that I saw was to use someone else. And yeah, I love the strategy commands. It's rare early on to see me do something other than set Junpei to a target and Takeba to support.
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by PriamNevhausten » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:49 pm
Later on, you'll love it when Junpei casts his support shit, because it's good. The main problem becomes who casts worthless shit pretty much every turn. Well, okay, only 2/3 of the time, but still, god damn.
Spoiler:
"You haven't told me what I'm looking for."
"Anything that might be of interest to Slitscan. Which is to say, anything that might be of interest to Slitscan's audience. Which is best visualized as a vicious, lazy, profoundly ignorant, perpetually hungry organism craving the warm god-flesh of the anointed. Personally I like to imagine something the size of a baby hippo, the color of a week-old boiled potato, that lives by itself, in the dark, in a double-wide on the outskirts of Topeka. It's covered with eyes and it sweats constantly. The sweat runs into those eyes and makes them sting. It has no mouth, Laney, no genitals, and can only express its mute extremes of murderous rage and infantile desire by changing the channels on a universal remote. Or by voting in presidential elections."
--Colin Laney and Kathy Torrance, William Gibson's Idoru
"Anything that might be of interest to Slitscan. Which is to say, anything that might be of interest to Slitscan's audience. Which is best visualized as a vicious, lazy, profoundly ignorant, perpetually hungry organism craving the warm god-flesh of the anointed. Personally I like to imagine something the size of a baby hippo, the color of a week-old boiled potato, that lives by itself, in the dark, in a double-wide on the outskirts of Topeka. It's covered with eyes and it sweats constantly. The sweat runs into those eyes and makes them sting. It has no mouth, Laney, no genitals, and can only express its mute extremes of murderous rage and infantile desire by changing the channels on a universal remote. Or by voting in presidential elections."
--Colin Laney and Kathy Torrance, William Gibson's Idoru
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by BrainWalker » Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:37 am
Yea, I don't mind Junpei's support when I'm fighting something that actually poses some degree of challenge.
One time, though, I almost got a game over because he could have finished a battle and chose to prolong it instead. Since then, I have been wary.
One time, though, I almost got a game over because he could have finished a battle and chose to prolong it instead. Since then, I have been wary.
Anime is kind of like fish in that it is better the less "fishy" it is.
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by pd Rydia » Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:37 am
on the origins of "an hero":
ED isn't really out there with the intent to edify,. Urban Dictionary sometimes offers better pickings, but you have to dig through the entries if you intend to find anything. The relevant entry here is as follows--<blockquote>3. an hero 116 up, 43 down
1) Committing suicide over something really stupid.
2) Failing to commit suicide over something really stupid.
3) Doing something stupid, which results in accidentally killing yourself.
4) Also sometimes used on the work safe boards [of 4chan] for someone who deliberately posts porn, which is considered both "suicidal" (due to the ban that usually follows), but truly heroic.
Term originates from a grammatically incorrect poem posted at a myspace memorial for a boy (Mitchell) who killed himself when he couldn't find his ipod.
Yasmin Browder hung herself when her mother didn't let her watch big brother; she is an hero.</blockquote>
ED isn't really out there with the intent to edify,. Urban Dictionary sometimes offers better pickings, but you have to dig through the entries if you intend to find anything. The relevant entry here is as follows--<blockquote>3. an hero 116 up, 43 down
1) Committing suicide over something really stupid.
2) Failing to commit suicide over something really stupid.
3) Doing something stupid, which results in accidentally killing yourself.
4) Also sometimes used on the work safe boards [of 4chan] for someone who deliberately posts porn, which is considered both "suicidal" (due to the ban that usually follows), but truly heroic.
Term originates from a grammatically incorrect poem posted at a myspace memorial for a boy (Mitchell) who killed himself when he couldn't find his ipod.
Yasmin Browder hung herself when her mother didn't let her watch big brother; she is an hero.</blockquote>
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by NamagomiMk0 » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:20 pm
PriamNevhausten wrote:Later on, you'll love it when Junpei casts his support shit, because it's good. The main problem becomeswho casts worthless shit pretty much every turn. Well, okay, only 2/3 of the time, but still, god damn.Spoiler:
...really? Endgame
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
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by BrainWalker » Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:18 pm
Besyanteo wrote:Also, the various vending machine drink puns seem to be growing on me.
We had a good laugh over "Dr.Salt" at the commune.
Anime is kind of like fish in that it is better the less "fishy" it is.
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by NamagomiMk0 » Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:59 pm
Besyanteo wrote:My problem withis less what she does in combat and much moreSpoiler:Also, the various vending machine drink puns seem to be growing on me.Spoiler:
To be fair, she does improve around endgame in that regard. Of course, that's a while.
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by PriamNevhausten » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:40 pm
Unfortunately, the stuff spoilertagged in Nama's post happens after such a period of time that it feels forced, and I had a really hard time giving a crap about this new development. I mean, the voice actress did a really good job with it, but that can't make badly planned writing work.
"You haven't told me what I'm looking for."
"Anything that might be of interest to Slitscan. Which is to say, anything that might be of interest to Slitscan's audience. Which is best visualized as a vicious, lazy, profoundly ignorant, perpetually hungry organism craving the warm god-flesh of the anointed. Personally I like to imagine something the size of a baby hippo, the color of a week-old boiled potato, that lives by itself, in the dark, in a double-wide on the outskirts of Topeka. It's covered with eyes and it sweats constantly. The sweat runs into those eyes and makes them sting. It has no mouth, Laney, no genitals, and can only express its mute extremes of murderous rage and infantile desire by changing the channels on a universal remote. Or by voting in presidential elections."
--Colin Laney and Kathy Torrance, William Gibson's Idoru
"Anything that might be of interest to Slitscan. Which is to say, anything that might be of interest to Slitscan's audience. Which is best visualized as a vicious, lazy, profoundly ignorant, perpetually hungry organism craving the warm god-flesh of the anointed. Personally I like to imagine something the size of a baby hippo, the color of a week-old boiled potato, that lives by itself, in the dark, in a double-wide on the outskirts of Topeka. It's covered with eyes and it sweats constantly. The sweat runs into those eyes and makes them sting. It has no mouth, Laney, no genitals, and can only express its mute extremes of murderous rage and infantile desire by changing the channels on a universal remote. Or by voting in presidential elections."
--Colin Laney and Kathy Torrance, William Gibson's Idoru
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