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Re: Saddam's Capture

Unread postby EKDS5k » Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:41 pm

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I didn't say there was anything wrong with Nationalism.
I would, taking into account World War I, World War II, and the state of American political discussion today.

Nationalism is not the same thing as egocentrism. Nationalism, a strong feeling up here in Canada, is pride in your country, it's people, and it's accomplishments. Egocentrism, which is somewhat more prevalent in the States and, as you pointed out, Nazi Germany and WWII-era Japan, is the belief that your country/culture's way of doing things is "right," and any other way is "wrong." Basically, nationalism gone bad.

That's not to say that as a rule, Canadians are nationalistic, and Americans are egocentric, so nobody jump on me for that.

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Re: Saddam's Capture

Unread postby Just Damn Evil » Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:18 pm

While what you said is true, is it really that unrealistic to say that the two go hand in hand?


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Re: Saddam's Capture

Unread postby PopoSujo » Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:52 pm

Also: The United States is such a mixture of cultures, ideas, and races that we don't really have a certain "way" anymore. <p>
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Unread postby Just Damn Evil » Fri Dec 19, 2003 11:36 pm

A "mixture" in the way that anyone who strays from the norm is an iconocladistic liberal pinko commie faggot and that you're not really a member of your minority unless you mimic the offensive ethnic stereotype crammed down your throat by the bigoted and ultra-conservative media.

Man, I don't know how I'd get through each day if it weren't for exaggerated cynicism.


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Re: Saddam's Capture

Unread postby FlamingDeth » Sat Dec 20, 2003 6:51 am

If you think the media is ultraconservative, I'd hate to see what you think a slightly liberal media is. Way to rage against the machine, buddy.

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Re: Saddam's Capture

Unread postby PopoSujo » Sun Dec 21, 2003 3:34 am

JDE: No idea where you've visited/are from, but it isn't like that anywhere I've lived. I mean sure, people with different ideas get challenged and sometimes made fun of, but not usually in the extreme way you're talking about. <p>
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Unread postby Just Damn Evil » Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:47 pm

FD, are you insinuating that the American media, which fills up 95% of its television entertainment broadcast slots with the same formulaic committee-created drivel done a billion times before, that refuses to fund any movie with new or creative ideas, and hosts a variety of news corporations who refuse to report in a style even vaguely definable as intelligent or objective and forego the coverage of real and important news on a daily basis in favor of cute stories, mindless sound-bites, and the creation of groundless panic, all to sell a product in a manner in no way different from an entertainment program, is a media that you consider to be always open to new ideas?

I'd hate to see what you think a slightly conservative media is.

In fact, how is it even possible for a more conservative media to exist without the introduction of blatant propaganda? Really, at a loss.


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">Yeah, otherwise you might have to say something meaningful.</span>
A funny statement, considering your post's lack of insight, reason, or, for that matter, anything.


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">...but not usually in the extreme way you're talking about.</span>

That must be why homosexuals are allowed to marry in all 50 states, African Americans achieved equal status quickly and with relative ease, and the KKK never existed.


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Re: Saddam's Capture

Unread postby NebulaQueen » Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:58 pm

I think JDE and FD are operating under different definitions of liberal and conservative. FD's definition seems to be based more on social views, where JDE's definition tends to operate more on how open one is to new ideas. According to former definition, the media is nowhere near ultra conservative. However, according to the latter definition, it isn't really liberal, either. <p>

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Unread postby Uncle Pervy » Sun Dec 21, 2003 10:34 pm

I prefer to say the Media is simply crappy and leave it out that, without the whole OMG LIBERAL/CONSERVATIVE mudslinging. <p>------------------
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Re: Saddam's Capture

Unread postby FlamingDeth » Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:24 am

NQ has it. It seems that the standard political definitions of "liberal" and "conservitive" no longer apply to political discussions, and we're all expected to use our ESP to divine JDE's definitions.

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Re: Saddam's Capture

Unread postby Archmage144 » Mon Dec 22, 2003 2:49 am

I have decided that free and creative thought is illegal on this forum. Anyone attempting to introduce anything new or interesting is going to be banned immediately.

...that said (quite jokingly, I might add), I'm not really sure how the media can "refuse" to make use of new ideas and or discourage creativity other than the implied suggestion that they're squashing new stuff because they keep running and rehashing old stuff. After all, there's a whole new generation that hasn't seen it yet, so they can get away with recycling most of it.

Certainly have strayed from the original topic, but I don't think there's anything I'd qualify as pointless or spam, so I have no problem with it. <p>
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Re: Saddam's Capture

Unread postby Blackwind Isao » Mon Dec 22, 2003 3:23 am

A few points to add on both matters:

Saddam:
Saddam is being held by the Iraqi government for trial in Iraq. His trial will occur "in several months" according to Iraqi judical informants. I will refrain from including an opinion on the matter of the US invasion since the last time I did so I was flamed off and bored and later handed a medical discharge from the Navy.

The Media:
The media is the media people. They recycle the same ideas because they work. This is not to say that new ideas do not show up, even if they are merely old ideas presented in a new way. In actuallity, there really aren't too many ideas that haven't been tried at some point in time.

The media does however, maintain the right to squash whatever the hell they feel like and does so on a regular occasion. That is, ultimately, their way to refuse; no implications necessary.

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Re: Saddam's Capture

Unread postby Just Damn Evil » Mon Dec 22, 2003 4:53 pm


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">...we're all expected to use our ESP to divine JDE's definitions.</span>
That, or a dictionary.


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">Also: No, there aren't any "new ideas" because</span> lots of stupid.
Which is the definition of conservative. Great point there, skippy.

The words conservative and liberal seem to have lost all forms of meaning to the general populace. I'd like to take this moment to remind people that, while many seem to think liberal means, "Dancing around naked with hippy hair, eating tofu, and spreading communism" or that conservative means, "Radical Christian right supporting oldskool bigotry and taking evil bribes from soul-stealing Satan-worshipping big business," the word liberal just means open to new ideas or change, with conservative being its antonym.

In terms of social philosophy, the media is hardly "liberal" there either; sitcoms routinely enforce sexism, NBC still runs marathons of all-Aryan programming, minorities act out their offensive stereotypes, broadcasted parallel to infomercials are bigoted fundamentalist programs, and the written world is plagued by run-of-the-mill right-wing sophistry written by just about every idiot who thinks semi-literacy alone points to genius. The fact that a muppet on Sesame Street has AIDS doesn't really balance out everything associated with the FOX network.


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">If you want new content, make your own TV station.</span>
You know, I really should. It's a funny thing, actually, I've been wondering what I want to do with the billion dollars sitting in a large pile up in my room - why didn't I think of starting a company before? It seems so obvious now. Not that the enormous pile of money would really make a difference. I mean, I'm sure I could just buy a building in the city on credit - I'd be surprised if someone didn't just give me one for free! And you know, sure I wouldn't have the backing of any advertisers, but that wouldn't be important! I'm sure I could find TONS of producers willing to work on a lack of a budget. Oh yes. And after that, it'd just be clear sailing, absolutely NO competition with corporation superpowers like FOX or AOL Time Warner. Yeah, I should start on that right now!


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">I prefer to say the Media is simply crappy and leave it out that, without the whole OMG LIBERAL/CONSERVATIVE mudslinging.</span>
By the saints above, I believe he's on to something.


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Unread postby Banjooie » Mon Dec 22, 2003 5:12 pm

ROIGHT, JDE!

1. Liberal and Conservative, by their dictionary definitions, do mean what you say. THESE ARE TOTALLY AND UTTERLY DIFFERENT FROM THE POLITICAL DEFINITIONS. I don't know who you got your political 'knowhow' from, but I suggest that you let the men in white coats take him back to his cell.


2. Companies do not squash new ideas for the sake of squashing new ideas. When you are a company, your objective is to make money. If something is making money, you should continue to do it. Television is not about creativity. It is about creating a product and selling it. TV stations buy television shows and sell commercial time. Creative television programs are generally only found when the current formula ceases to work. When you have successfully managed to either understand that we are in a capitalistic society or learned how to count to 20 without taking off your shoes, you are allowed to talk again.


3. Ernie does not have AIDS, you stupid fuck.


4. Just..stop posting. For christ's sakes, you have nothing interesting to say. I mean, you have these political opinions that have little or anything to do with anything even vaguely resembling facts, and..then, er, actually, just explain this one to me.


FD: Companies try to make money. If you want originality -and- money, give it a shot, I guess.

JDE: BUT I DON'T HAVE MONEY!


I have a question for you: How do you think these media companies got all this money? They got all this money because they understand what sells. What sells is the same formulas over and over again. If a sexist sitcom makes money, then they will sell that. If stereotypes sell, then they will sell that. You cannot fault a company for doing things that make them money. If you want the companies to change, then find a way to make it so that they STOP MAKING MONEY BY DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING. This is fairly simple.


Much like you.


So, since I bet your attention span ran out right around number 2, I'll summarize.

1. Politics = Dictionary. Then again, 'poli' means many, and 'tics' are bloodsucking...nah.

2. Companies wuv money.

3. You are fucking stupid.

4. Companies still wuv money.


Oh, and, yes.


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Unread postby Just Damn Evil » Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:40 pm


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">THESE ARE TOTALLY AND UTTERLY DIFFERENT FROM THE POLITICAL DEFINITIONS.</span>
Not really. I mean, Democrats tend to pass more legislature and Republicans seem to favor regression (burn! :D)


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">It is about creating a product and selling it.</span>
The fact that America sees art in this fashion is exactly what's wrong with our system.


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">Ernie does not have AIDS, you stupid fuck.</span>
If you can find a single part of anything that I have ever written that said, hinted, or implied that ERNIE was the muppet with AIDS, I will personally not feed you to the wood chipper.


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">then, er, actually, just explain this one to me.</span>
Running a network requires a large amount of money. I don't have money. Therefore, the assertion that it within my power to make a difference was an unintelligent one. Honestly, I thought it was pretty self-explanatory, but I guess you can never underestimate people's intelligence.


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">You cannot fault a company for doing things that make them money.</span>
So if a company is just looking out for itself, then nothing else matters? If a fast food chain buys meat carrying Mad Cow disease because it's cheaper, nothing wrong with that? If a Health Insurance company uses a loophole in its contract to avoid funding a life-saving procedure, it's prefectly alright? If a mining corporation hires children, works them twice as hard and gives them half the pay, that's okay by you? The fact of the matter is that large companies can do (and have done) a lot of really horrible things in the name of profit and I consider the elimination of art in favor of selling Viagra to be one of them.


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">If you want the companies to change, then find a way to make it so that they STOP MAKING MONEY BY DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING.</span>
In all fairness, I had planned to do that over the Christmas break, but then I realized that I don't have the power to control the minds of millions, radically change the capitalist system, or alter the fabric of reality.

It's rather ironic that your next statement is that I'm simple. I mean, could you have picked any worse of an insult? Now, I understand that you were positively straining to insert a derogatory remark without entirely messing up the flow of your post, but honestly; when the entire "point" of your post was that I have an overcomplicated view of the world when I *should* have adopted your GENIUS philosophy that "If you don't like it, rearrange the very structure of the universe," simple just isn't the right insult. I mean, perhaps cynical? I would have used pessimistic. "Fucking stupid" was at least debatable, but simple? Just because it's listed next to "stupid" in the thesaurus doesn't mean it's used in the same way, man.


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">I mean, you have these political opinions that have little or anything to do with anything even vaguely resembling facts</span>
Also an ironic statement, considering the veritable gems one seems to find in your posts.


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">Oh, and, yes. HAVE A NICE DAY :D</span>
See now, companies are foregoing creativity and originality for profit - what's *your* excuse?


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Re: The Japanese have the character 'n' by itself.

Unread postby Archmage144 » Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:51 pm

I don't think anyone's ever been made physically ill to the point of possible death from rehashed sitcoms. So your analogy about mad cow disease in meat is kind of irrelevant.

And television isn't an art form. Where did you ever get that idea? <p>
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Re: The Japanese have the character 'n' by itself.

Unread postby PriamNevhausten » Mon Dec 22, 2003 10:52 pm

JDE, I am horrified at your last post. This is in the DISCUSSION forum? I'm not sure it belongs here, maybe it would fit better in the irrelevant-bullshit forum. What in the world are you trying to SAY? That there's something wrong with our system? Well congratulations, you just discovered the most incredibly blatantly obvious fact in ALL OF MANKIND'S HISTORY. Would you like a medal or a cookie?

And so art has, on occasion, become commercialized. You know why? Artists need to EAT. Money buys food. My sister is actually going to COLLEGE for ART, and she can tell you that while it sounds good that everyone should be able to create art and have others pay for your living expenses, it just doesn't work that way. Move out of your parents' basement and get a grip on what the world is really like. Ideals have NO place in society. Not a goddamned one. Artists, protestors, poets, musicians, and designers did not do anything for this country's freedom. That was the soldiers' doing. You want something done? Stop fucking musing on it and go out there and take some goddamned action. Because we're ALL tired of hearing your shit. Every single one of us. <p><span style="font-size:xx-small;">"It's in the air, in the headlines in the newspapers, in the blurry images on television. It is a secret you have yet to grasp, although the first syllable has been spoken in a dream you cannot quite recall." --Unknown Armies</span></p>

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Re: The Japanese have the character 'n' by itself.

Unread postby Seethe347 » Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:23 am

Something else that should be blatantly obvious is that this subject needs to be dropped, right now. <p>That is the message.</p>

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Re: The Japanese have the character 'n' by itself.

Unread postby EKDS5k » Tue Dec 23, 2003 2:22 am

I love it when people who haven't added anything relevant to a discussion in a week post just to say it should be dropped.

They're having an argument! Somebody stop them!


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Re: The Japanese have the character 'n' by itself.

Unread postby PriamNevhausten » Tue Dec 23, 2003 3:43 am

You can't tell me you don't understand venting frustrations, though, and people HAVE been 'mentioning' this in chat on several occasions. You'll also note that I confined my post to commenting on what I'd actually read in the thread. Well, up until the 'every single one of us' bit. That might be a minor hyperbole.

It would still be awesome if he stopped talking, though. <p><span style="font-size:xx-small;">"It's in the air, in the headlines in the newspapers, in the blurry images on television. It is a secret you have yet to grasp, although the first syllable has been spoken in a dream you cannot quite recall." --Unknown Armies</span></p>

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Re: The Japanese have the character 'n' by itself.

Unread postby EKDS5k » Tue Dec 23, 2003 4:28 am

Actually, I was talking to Seethe, who didn't actually state any opinions, and just said "Stop arguing! Stop arguing!" I hate that. At least you presented an opinion, and elaborated.


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Re: The Japanese have the character 'n' by itself.

Unread postby Wolfbelly » Tue Dec 23, 2003 4:20 pm

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Something else that should be blatantly obvious is that this subject needs to be dropped, right now.
Doc raises a good point. If the reason for dropping this is 'blatantly obvious,' then it should be readily apparent to me. It's not. Explain your point. Alternately, see my point and move along.


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"Satirize" sounds a lot like "sodomize".

Unread postby Just Damn Evil » Tue Dec 23, 2003 5:14 pm


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">I don't think anyone's ever been made physically ill to the point of possible death from rehashed sitcoms. So your analogy about mad cow disease in meat is kind of irrelevant.</span>
Except that it showed, aptly, that there are circumstances in which the argument "They're just looking out for themselves!" doesn't justify the means which made it entirely relevant. The rest leaves itself open to personal values; try not to view things in simple matters of black and white.


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">And television isn't an art form.</span>
Why shouldn't it be? Moving pictures are just another medium, why can't we have Van Goghs or Picassos directing?

Now, Priam, I was going to give you a lengthy reply addressing all your points succinctly. I really was. I had it half typed up and everything, but then I noticed a pattern developing. So, instead of allowing the pattern to continue and risk this thread digressing into COMPLETE insanity, I've decided to satirize what the majority of replies to my posts have been in this thread. Can I assume that you're a big boy, Priam, with lots of meaty brain muscles? Try to point out the similarities between the following and your own post.

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Priam, I am terribly offended by how stupid you and your mother are. You're stupid for believing that artists should be systematically eliminated in a style similar to Hitler's Final Solution, and your mother is stupid for having you. Really, it's just a whole lot of stupid.

Sure, you have the right idea, but your justification is completely stupid; artists don't FLY. They don't make art, either, stupid. I'm sure if you look up "artist" in a dictionary it'll say something along the lines of "someone who doesn't fly or make art". If it says something else, it's probably because you're stupid.

Basically, I'm tired of your complaining. If you have a problem with the capitalist system squelching your ability to make any kind of a difference, you have no one to blame but yourself for not MAKING a difference. Although we can all agree that the world would be a better place if artists were all dead, this topic just isn't relevant to a discussion about killing artists! I've thought about possible solutions to your problems and all of them involve suppuku, the Japanese ritual of stupid.
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Re: "Satirize" sounds a lot like "sodomize&am

Unread postby Seethe347 » Tue Dec 23, 2003 6:35 pm

Heh. So it was late at night and I said something that was incorrect. It happens.

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But now, I just want to know something. If I asked you to continue fighting, because it's fun to watch, what would you think? <p>That is the message.</p>Edited by: [url=http://pub30.ezboard.com/brpgww60462.showUserPublicProfile?gid=seethe347>Seethe347</A] at: 12/23/03 11:12 pm

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Re: "Satirize" sounds a lot like "sodomize&am

Unread postby SorataYuy » Wed Dec 24, 2003 12:02 am

*gets out the popcorn, sits back and watches this* Not spamming, just trying to let JDE know that when he starts with the insults, it's not a discussion anymore, it's entertainment instead. Which reminds me.

*VULCAN DOPE-SMACK x20 to JDE* that's for such harsh words against me bro Priam. Disagreeing with him is one thing. But when you go and insult his mother, then you've lost all credibility and reason to even think you're going to be taken seriously anymore in this discussion, not that I think they were in the first place. Now, someone please lock this? It's just plain gotten stupid. <p>I BUKKAKE FOR JUSTICE!!!</p>

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Unread postby Endadelta » Wed Dec 24, 2003 12:25 am

Just thought I'd say that one of the people who are actually discussing the topic should ask for its closure. Not, you know, random people who make their first post 'wtf this is stupid. lock it!'. <p>

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Re: "Satirize" sounds a lot like "sodomize&am

Unread postby SorataYuy » Wed Dec 24, 2003 1:07 am

I haven't been discussing it End because I got more than enough of the whole Saddam topic elsewhere already. And once I watched JDE start up with his ranting, I couldn't discuss it, as I was too busy under the computer table where I'd fallen in my fit of laughter. Just, y'know, FYI^_^. <p>I BUKKAKE FOR JUSTICE!!!</p>

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Unread postby Endadelta » Wed Dec 24, 2003 1:12 am

Discussing, rambling. One way or another.

Add: And Sorata, since you aren't 'able' to discuss it due to whatever reasons you have under your desk, you don't quite have the right to tell them to stop. kthx.

I don't know, maybe I thought that the topic starter himself would be a better judge of when to end the topic?

Add x2: I don't have an opinion on this topic myself, beyond 'let those who are arguing/discussing/rambling' finish it. <p>

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Re: "Satirize" sounds a lot like "sodomize&am

Unread postby Blackwind Isao » Wed Dec 24, 2003 1:54 am

As an aside I'll note that this whole thing degenerated from FDeth essentially telling JDE that he was an idiot. This said if you're going to point fingers at least point them in the proper direction.

I'm also of the opinion that JDE has a point that somehow you are all missing or for one reason or annother disagreeing with rather harshly for whatever reason.

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Unread postby Wolfbelly » Wed Dec 24, 2003 2:05 am

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But now, I just want to know something. If I asked you to continue fighting, because it's fun to watch, what would you think?
Quite honestly? I'd think that there's someone like me out there.


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Unread postby SorataYuy » Wed Dec 24, 2003 3:55 am

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Add x2: I don't have an opinion on this topic myself, beyond 'let those who are arguing/discussing/rambling' finish it.


*nod* sounds good to me. probably get some good entertainment out of it. ^_^ <p>I BUKKAKE FOR JUSTICE!!!</p>

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Unread postby PriamNevhausten » Wed Dec 24, 2003 8:59 am

JDE's point has been so lost in the {metaphor goes here} that I have no idea what it is that he's trying to say, though, so that seems pretty irrelevant as far as the 'discussion' purposes go. Furthermore, I do think he's betrayed his trollish nature, and I for one will not feed him further. The topic is no longer about Saddam and his capture, and has not been for several pages worth of posts. It has degenerated to the point of spam, and though JDE is still talking on occasion, nobody else is willing to talk back.

Sounds like it's already over to me. <p><span style="font-size:xx-small;">"It's in the air, in the headlines in the newspapers, in the blurry images on television. It is a secret you have yet to grasp, although the first syllable has been spoken in a dream you cannot quite recall." --Unknown Armies</span></p>

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Anyone who disagrees is a liberal pinko commie troll!

Unread postby Just Damn Evil » Wed Dec 24, 2003 12:11 pm


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">that's for such harsh words against me bro Priam. Disagreeing with him is one thing. But when you go and insult his mother...</span>
You know, in my last post, I was killing myself for outright saying it was satire. I was thinking, "Come on, JDE, this isn't Def Comedy Jam. People will be able to figure out that it's satire without you telling them." Oh, the irony. And now you're chastizing me for insulting Priam which was actually just recognition of the fact that he insulted me. More irony. What's up with this thread and irony?


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">It has degenerated to the point of spam, and though JDE is still talking on occasion, nobody else is willing to talk back.</span>
Though I in now way doubt that many of the individuals in question have nothing less than that stunning level of maturity, I have the sneaking suspicion that the alleged deafening silence I'm experiencing may, in fact, have more to do with people not having anything to reply with. However, since you obviously have an entire arsenal of reasons *why* everything I've ever said is false, why don't you prove yourself to be the bigger man and just not reply?


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">[JDE has] betrayed his trollish nature...</span>
Priam, while I'm sure it may be *easier* to view anyone with an opinion different than your own as nothing more than an unfounded demonization of an extreme, it's not an admirable way to live your life. Nor is, when lacking geniune rebuttal, replying with a generic, and in this case groundless, insult. Now, I may not be the most object of observers, but here's a recap of this thread as I see it;

Popo: America doesn't really have a way anymore.
JDE: Then what is Superman fighting to defend, and why did the Republicans shoot my dog!?
FD: You never had a dog. Your dog is stupid.
JDE: I totally had a dog, and he went to MENSA.
FD: A dog is "a giant ball of slime". I don't know what the hell you're calling a dog. If you want a dog, you should purchase a rocketship and blast off to Pluto.
JDE: I can't buy a spaceship, I don't have money. Image
Banj: Why the $%#& do you need money to buy a rocket ship, you retard? Everyone has the power to do everything and if you have the energy to whine and cry about not having a spaceship then you have the energy to make one out of your skin and outdated Gameboys!
JDE: That's stupid. The world isn't perfect.
Priam: Your very existence disgusts me, JDE! Why would you say the world isn't perfect, I mean, DUH! Stop crying about everything and change the world; it shouldn't be hard to, it's PERFECT!
JDE: I, in many ways, doubt that people are even reading what I write anymore before they reply.
Priam: Oh yeah, well you're a %$#&ing moron and I don't even have to reply or offer a rebuttal to anything you say because you're a troll and trolls are stupid.
JDE: Certain people clearly aren't getting things. How can I show them their own folly in an intelligent and original manner? I know; through a series of unintelligible oversimplified versions of posts revealing an entirely one-sided perspective! No one's done that before.


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Re: Anyone who disagrees is a liberal pinko commie troll!

Unread postby PriamNevhausten » Wed Dec 24, 2003 12:28 pm

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why don't you prove yourself to be the bigger man and just not reply?


That's the plan!



....DOH! <p><span style="font-size:xx-small;">"It's in the air, in the headlines in the newspapers, in the blurry images on television. It is a secret you have yet to grasp, although the first syllable has been spoken in a dream you cannot quite recall." --Unknown Armies</span></p>

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Re: Anyone who disagrees is a liberal pinko commie troll!

Unread postby Wolfbelly » Wed Dec 24, 2003 12:39 pm

I can happily say that I'm one step ahead of the lot of you, as I haven't fully read through anything but JDE's first cynical post which made teh Cat Bus take a swing at him. Whee! *spam*


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Re: Anyone who disagrees is a liberal pinko commie troll!

Unread postby Banjooie » Wed Dec 24, 2003 2:22 pm

Nice try, JDE. Went more something like this


JDE: LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES ARE NOT STICKING TO THEIR DICTIONARY DEFINITIONS!

FD: ...No shit.

Banj: They, uh, don't, furthermore, you're a fuckup, stop talking. Oh, and the world sucks.

JDE: YES IT SUCKS RAWR RAWR RAWR THAT'S MY POINT

Priam: ...Dude, we already knew that. Stop talking. WELCOME TO REALITY OMG.

JDE: ...*more stupid*

Lots of dumb people: Let's stop omg omg omg



This is a fairly simple concept. The world is fucked up.
JDE, you can try to do something about it, or you can shut the fuck up about it, because we -already know-.

I think I've made my point clear. Now that you fuckers have made me post twice in one thread, I'm going to go play some more WC3. <p><Chat> <Matto says, "What's up?"
<Chat> <Prince_Herb says, "Angst."
<Chat> <Prince_Herb says, "Drama."
<Chat> <Prince_Herb says, "Betrayal."
<Chat> <Prince_Herb says, "Plushies."</p>

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Re: Anyone who disagrees is a liberal pinko commie troll!

Unread postby Seethe347 » Wed Dec 24, 2003 2:54 pm

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Lots of dumb people: Let's stop omg omg omg


Apparently there were obvious reasons to both Priam and JDE, so I wasn't wrong or dumb after all.

Quote:
why don't you prove yourself to be the bigger man and just not reply?


Quote:
That's the plan!


Also, don't twist my words. <p>That is the message.</p>Edited by: [url=http://pub30.ezboard.com/brpgww60462.showUserPublicProfile?gid=seethe347>Seethe347</A] at: 12/24/03 3:40 pm

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A little lost here....

Unread postby Animala » Wed Dec 24, 2003 6:47 pm

It seems the signal to noise ratio in this thread is decreasing rapidly.

JDE, I know you've been speaking your mind all along, but you've used hyperbole and satire and a lot of other stuff that's a little confusing to me. I'm really not sure what your viewpoint is at all. I mean, you asked why television can't be art...but then there's a bunch of confusing stuff about dogs, rocketships, and a certain German leader.

Could you put things in black and white for me, or summarize your argument? I'm sorry for being so slow, but I'm having trouble picking out exactly what you mean. I'm studying to be an engineer, and though I think I'm fairly bright, but engineers aren't known for their skill with the English language. I think your thesis has something to do with capitalism and stifling art, and that issue interests me, but I'm inexperienced in such matters and I'm always willing to learn from people with better-developed ideas.

So if you could give me a simple summary in plain terms I can understand, that'd be great. Thanks.

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Re: A little lost here....

Unread postby Just Damn Evil » Wed Dec 24, 2003 8:09 pm

To be honest, I haven't actually been presenting opinions as much as defending them; you aren't finding brilliant wisdom here because there isn't any. But, since you asked, here are a list of some of the opinions I've expressed/said/implied;

1- The American media is one that squelches new or different ideas, so I consider it to be conservative.
2- I think this is bad.
3- Therefore, I believe that the ends don't justify the means.
4- I also don't think it's fair to assert that you're not allowed to have an opinion unless you do something about it, especially if you're a high school student from a middle class family with no power to change anything in any manner whatsoever.
5- I see television in no different way than art on a canvas, and I'd love to see more shows that expressed a certain degree of creativity (or at least don't suck)

The rest was mostly sarcasm. Because I'm just that kind of guy.


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Re: A little lost here....

Unread postby Archmage144 » Thu Dec 25, 2003 12:07 am

1. We have presented the opposing point of view that the media is not squelching new ideas for the sake of squelching new ideas. Instead, they're using tried and true formulas to make money because they like being able to eat dinner.

2. We know. You've been presenting it in a very screwy manner, however.

3. Good to hear that the ends don't justify the means. In the case of murdering 6 million Jewish people, I might agree with you! In the case of producing television shows you don't personally enjoy but the other 5.5 billion people on the planet (given that there is obviously a minority that doesn't like whatever's on TV) do for the purpose of making a profit (because catering to the minority does not make a profit, after all), I'm afraid I have to soundly disagree. After all, even art is as much about making money as it is about self expression, or else artists would never sell their work to collectors. I'm sure if you told artists that they were supposed to starve for their passion, there would be very few artists left. And that's a different kind of squelching.

4. Go ahead and assert opinions. But you have to admit that the opinion "this sucks and I can't fix it" is pretty lame.

5. You see, though, if more (let's say all, for the sake of argument) TV shows were "creative" (in your vision), that would make them mainstream. And then, there'd be a small minority who, just like you currently, would hate the television that was on the air and demand their own version of creative programming. Obviously, the general consensus among people, or at least what would be apparent from polling people on the street, is that TV does not, in fact, suck. There will always be a small minority that thinks something popular sucks, and there will always be a majority that supports it and keeps it popular, regardless of all else. Just consider for a moment that if you can't please everyone, and if your business is to make money by selling your art, the best way to do it is to make sure as many people like it as possible. The rest of them can fuck off, because that audience isn't going to buy it anyway.

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