2:57:14 PM dragongurl4390: Lenore's kind of Necromancy doesn't really work in Gaera
2:57:38 PM idran1701: What do you mean?
2:57:48 PM dragongurl4390: Have you looked at her sheet yet?
2:57:57 PM idran1701: *nod* Yeah, and Kai's response.
2:58:29 PM dragongurl4390: So yeah
2:58:36 PM dragongurl4390: I don't know how I can make it work
3:00:04 PM dragongurl4390: Garth Nix sets up pretty specific rules about Necromancy
3:00:17 PM dragongurl4390: And that's the only style of necromancy I know how to use
3:00:31 PM idran1701: Well, what are those rules?
3:00:45 PM idran1701: I can see her abilities, but that doesn't tell me that much.
3:00:47 PM dragongurl4390: Well, it has to do with Death and the River of it
3:00:53 PM idran1701: What's that?
3:01:02 PM dragongurl4390: Death is devided into 7 precincts
3:01:06 PM idran1701: *nod*
3:01:15 PM dragongurl4390: And basically, Death is a river
3:02:07 PM dragongurl4390: It flows differently and such in the various parts of Death
3:02:22 PM dragongurl4390: Every precinct has stronger creatures progressively
3:02:32 PM dragongurl4390: But also
3:02:49 PM dragongurl4390: The creatures from deep within death are always trying to get out
3:03:06 PM dragongurl4390: So if you're lucky you can find like, a Denizen of the Fifth in the First
3:03:59 PM idran1701: But anyway, yeah, that sounds a bit different than necromancy here.
3:04:08 PM idran1701: Necromancy for this has nothing to do with spirits in death.
3:04:20 PM idran1701: You just grab some shadow energy, stick it in a corpse, and bam, zombie.
3:04:45 PM idran1701: Even intelligent undead just have their own spirits, instead of one grabbed and stuck in a random guy's body.
3:05:11 PM dragongurl4390: Well that's what shadow hands are
3:05:33 PM idran1701: Shadow hands?
3:05:37 PM dragongurl4390: yeah
3:05:40 PM idran1701: *nod*
3:06:05 PM idran1701: Okay, but how does she get the spirit from the afterlife?
3:06:05 PM dragongurl4390: THey're basically like undead servants of a necromancer with no real physical body
3:22:29 PM idran1701: If you go down one level, is the creature about twice as strong? Four times? What?
3:22:36 PM idran1701: For original level, I mean.
3:22:50 PM dragongurl4390: It depends.
3:22:53 PM dragongurl4390: Also
3:22:54 PM idran1701: *nod*
3:23:08 PM dragongurl4390: It would be GM descression
3:23:30 PM idran1701: *nod* Well, if the GM doesn't know anything about the denizens, he can't really make a decision, though.
3:24:01 PM dragongurl4390: see why this doesn't work?
3:24:58 PM idran1701: Well, if you describe the denizens more, that'd help. At worst, we might just say that what Lenore calls Death isn't actually "death", but just another hell realm that the inhabitants call death.
3:25:35 PM idran1701: Actually, reducing the number of spells she could use there might actually help give you less work, since it means for now there's less creatures to stat out.
3:25:49 PM idran1701: But if you can summon something, you need to have stats for it. Even if the GM knows Nix.
3:25:51 PM dragongurl4390: well see, there's a problem
3:25:57 PM idran1701: Oh?
3:25:57 PM dragongurl4390: In that
3:26:09 PM dragongurl4390: Nix Doesn't tell you much about the denizens of Death
3:26:33 PM idran1701: *nod*
3:26:36 PM dragongurl4390: The only ones he really talks about are Hands, Shadow Hands, Greater Dead, Mordicants, and Mourdauts.
3:26:48 PM idran1701: And which levels are they from?
3:27:21 PM dragongurl4390: Greater Dead are from the sixth and seventh level. It is possible that they were once themsleves necromances
3:27:26 PM idran1701: *nod*
3:27:32 PM dragongurl4390: unless you are VERY powerful
3:27:40 PM dragongurl4390: It would be foolish to summon one
3:27:43 PM dragongurl4390: in fact
3:27:57 PM dragongurl4390: You want to avoid them at all costs lest they eat your soul
3:28:05 PM idran1701: *nod*
3:28:09 PM dragongurl4390: Hands can be made of any soul
3:28:31 PM dragongurl4390: Usually just pulled out of the first precinct because it's convinient
3:28:41 PM dragongurl4390: Shadow hands are more powerful
3:28:46 PM idran1701: *nod*
3:28:52 PM dragongurl4390: All Dead creatures thirst for Life
3:29:03 PM dragongurl4390: So they kill people and steal their life
3:29:10 PM dragongurl4390: And it sustains them for a while
3:29:54 PM dragongurl4390: Mordicants and Mordauts are fucking scary, but a lower level necromancer can easily control them
3:31:22 PM dragongurl4390: Mordicants are parascites
3:31:33 PM dragongurl4390: Mordauts are the ones that are really destructive
3:31:57 PM dragongurl4390: THey are like, the Hell Hounds of Death
3:32:01 PM idran1701: *nod*
3:32:03 PM dragongurl4390: They track
3:32:07 PM dragongurl4390: They kill
3:32:10 PM dragongurl4390: They eat souls
3:32:30 PM idran1701: *nod* All right. And they're from all the levels, those two?
3:32:46 PM dragongurl4390: Those are usually fifth level Denizens, I think
3:32:51 PM idran1701: Ah. Both of them?
3:33:03 PM dragongurl4390: Mordicants might be Fourth or third
3:33:14 PM idran1701: *nod* Why does she have separate spells for summoning those two, then?
3:33:28 PM dragongurl4390: Because they're totally different creatures
3:33:42 PM idran1701: No, I mean separate from the "Summon # Gate Denizen" spells.
3:33:51 PM dragongurl4390: Oh
3:34:09 PM dragongurl4390: Because if she specifically wants a Mordaut or a Mordicant...
3:34:19 PM idran1701: Then couldn't she use selective summoning?
3:34:37 PM dragongurl4390: Not really...that's just for the powerlevel of the creature
3:34:46 PM dragongurl4390: It's not specific to the creature itself
3:36:49 PM idran1701: *nod* Well, what might be simpler is if for Lenore it was. If she could use the spell to summon based on type _and_ level. What you could do is work with others on the board to figure out base stats for the different creatures.
When you said what level mordauts and mordicants are from, was it that level or up? Like, are there more powerful mordauts that live on the sixth or seventh circle?
3:36:58 PM idran1701: Or are they only on fifth?
3:37:30 PM dragongurl4390: Indeed, as you first said
3:37:33 PM idran1701: *nod*
3:38:35 PM idran1701: All right. Then what you can do is work with people to figure out the base stats for each type of creature. The stats for the weakest hand, the weakest shadow hand, the weakest mordaut, and so on. And then have it so ones pulled from a higher level are stronger, but harder to control.
3:38:50 PM idran1701: Have her summoning spells allow her to choose a type of creature, and try to bring them form a certain level.
3:39:06 PM idran1701: But with a small chance of accidentally bringing in something that might be too powerful for her to entirely control.
3:39:27 PM idran1701: Maybe come up with some new denizens that fit Nix's books, but that weren't actually in them, for greater variety.
3:40:57 PM idran1701: Lemme give you a baseline here. A 1st level summoner would have rank 4 at most.
3:41:04 PM idran1701: Here's what sort of creature that could give.
3:41:23 PM idran1701: Something that's about as powerful as a 1st level character.
3:41:43 PM dragongurl4390: A minor Mordaut could be only that powerful
3:41:47 PM idran1701: *nod*
3:41:51 PM dragongurl4390: but about three times as vicious
3:42:29 PM idran1701: Then there'd need to be something to balance that out...hmm. All right, then. You said they're from the fifth circle?
3:42:36 PM idran1701: Then that can be set as the upper limit of what she can reach right now.
3:42:46 PM idran1701: And if she tries bringing in one of them in, she won't be able to control it that well.
3:42:46 PM dragongurl4390: It already is ^^:
3:43:04 PM dragongurl4390: The thing is,
3:43:05 PM idran1701: She can try to order it around, but there's a chance it might turn on her allies, or even her.
3:43:07 PM idran1701: Hmm?
3:43:17 PM dragongurl4390: Mordauts and Mordicants love necromancers
3:43:24 PM dragongurl4390: Because they bring them back into life
3:43:31 PM dragongurl4390: So they can feed on the living
3:43:36 PM idran1701: *nod*
3:43:40 PM dragongurl4390: They're like, Sweet Deal, man
3:44:27 PM idran1701: I can see how that makes sense. But necromancers are just as living as anyone else, right?
3:44:40 PM idran1701: Actually, how's this? This is probably slightly different from Nix, but it might work.
3:44:49 PM dragongurl4390: Well, yeah, but if they kill the necromancer, they're screwed
3:44:52 PM idran1701: Perhaps necromancers can pull them in, but they also have to banish them when they're done.
3:45:04 PM idran1701: Instead of it being a short term summon.
3:45:09 PM dragongurl4390: Well, Lenore would do that anyway
3:45:26 PM idran1701: *nod* Yeah, but this gives those mordauts and mordicants a reason to not want to be under her control.
3:45:34 PM dragongurl4390: She may be kind of evil, but she doesn't want innocent lives lost
3:45:41 PM idran1701: If they can take her out, they get to run off onto this world and wreak some havoc.
3:45:46 PM dragongurl4390: No
3:45:54 PM dragongurl4390: They'd get sent back if they killed her
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