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Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:39 pm
by Evil Killer Poptarts
I'm gonna give this a pre-emptive "POSSIBLY POLITICAL DISCUSSION" warning, and if it isn't supposed to be in here, feel free to move it. I wasn't sure but this seemed like the best place to put it, so long as the discussion stays clean.

This semester, I have this awesome class called "Minority Group Relations." This class consists of reading a book (one or two chapters are due per class period) and then discussing those chapters in class. There are no tests, no quizzes; once per book you write a page summary and the discussion questions for the day you present, and once per book you put together a project about some theme you liked. This class is AWESOME.

We are currently reading the autobiography of Malcolm X. Mind you, I go to a conservative Christian university, and dear Malcolm was a radical Muslim, so obviously opinions clash. Add to this the fact that I am quite liberal in comparison with my highly conservative classmates, and you can probably see how this is a potentially explosive situation.

Today, we were discussing whether or not history books have been "bleached" (i.e. only dead white guys are discussed), as Malcolm claimed.

Me: Heck yes they have been! It consists of dead white guys! What about the things women have done? Or minorities?

A FEMALE Classmate Who Shall Remain Anonymous: If women or minorities had actually done anything important, they WOULD be in the history books.

Me: *thinking* Oh, you are going DOWN.

I then proceeded to push every button I could think of, including bashing President Bush (whom most people on campus think is a saint) and the Iraq war, which I am strongly opposed to but most of my classmates see it as a holy war. I called it Bush's Crusades. That did not go over so well...

At one point, She Who Shall Not Be Named was so mad, she was turning red and SHAKING. Other classmates were yelling, the tension was so thick it was electrifying. My professor had long since facepalmed and sank into his chair, wondering why he didn't just duct-tape my mouth shut at the start, I'm sure. (He loves a good <s>fight</s> debate, though, so he didn't stop me.) One girl actually started CRYING and accusing me of bashing the troops (one of whom is my baby brother.)

Me: How is bashing President Bush bashing the troops?

She Who Shall Not Be Named: He's the commander-in-chief! You're bashing the whole system!

Me: If I said "Wendy's is a corrupt corporation," would that mean I'm bashing the cashiers? NO! I will NEVER bash the troops; my brother is in the Military Police, and I come from a LONG line of military guys. The troops are doing what they're told to do, why the heck would I hold that against them?

She Who Shall Not Be Named shut up about it after that and went after another one of my points.

Needless to say, dear friends, today I sowed CHAOS. It was BEAUTIFUL. <p><div style="text-align:center">Image</div></p>

Re: Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:48 pm
by KingOfDoma
Ironic how there are Christians attending liberal schools who do the exact same thing you do, but for Jesus.

And thank you for not bashing Wendy's cashiers. We are a proud and hardy bunch, enduring the idiocy and venom of customers every day, and yet still doling out quality food.

But where's OUR parade? ;_; <p>

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Re: Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:56 pm
by Evil Killer Poptarts
I dunno. I use Wendy's all the time because I <s>slaved</s> worked there for five and a half years. We need to have Wendy's parades.

And yes, trolling is always SUCH fun when you're a minority. And the best part is? I got labeled a communist, fascist, and other such things. All because I said "I don't like George W. Bush." Mwehehe.

I'm going to have shirts made that say "Being Liberal Does Not Make Me The Anti-Christ". <p><div style="text-align:center">Image</div></p>

Re: Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:14 pm
by Besyanteo
As a semi-conservative Christian, who supports our troops and LOVES Wendy's to death (nice food, good service I've gotten so far), I applaud EKP. I furthermore cheer at the idea of this behaviour continueing:

If those people are never forced to think, they're just going to grow up being zombie slaves of the straight party ticket culture that's so prolific today.

Onoes, You're a liberal! You must be evil and kill babies and smoke pot and are secretly a communist! Hippie!

Onoes, You're a conservative! You must be evil and bash in baby seal heads and play catch with nukes and secretly want to parade forigeners around naked while bashing in their teeth with your boot! Thick headed bastard!

... What the fuck, man. :{ They'll hate you for it, but you're helping those people. Atleast a little. <p>
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Re: Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:23 pm
by Evil Killer Poptarts
Amen!

In all honesty, I'm an independent centrist. It's just that this school is SO conservative, that being centrist makes me liberal.

Also, me being a feminist makes me a lesbian, and me not wanting to have babies makes me a child-hater. Sadly, I'm not making this up- those are things people have said about me on this campus. -_-;;; <p><div style="text-align:center">Image</div></p>

Re: Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:22 pm
by RedEye Dragon89
I applaud you, miss. You make Anti-Christs everywhere proud. <p>

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Re: Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:35 pm
by PriamNevhausten
I, however, am sad. These people, enveloped in rage, will come to understand nothing. The door to knowledge must be opened slowly. Maybe then they can become decent fucking human beings.

I presume we are talking about high school, and not collegiate-level? If this is college, then I weep. Oh, how I weep. My weeping, it is mighty. But high school...high school is a place for people to clash and hate eachother unilaterally. It is the natural order of things, there. Only when they move out of Mommy and Daddy's house do people come to realize that some things really aren't so bad, or black-and-white, depending, after all.

I advocate Soratic dialogue. Questioning is better than shouting, and one-on-one is a better method to get one person to truly involve their own beliefs. You, yourself, may be bettered by this, too, but be aware--if this undertaking is...undertaken...then you may find yourself doing a bit of research. FOR SCIENCE! <p><span style="font-size:xx-small;">"It's in the air, in the headlines in the newspapers, in the blurry images on television. It is a secret you have yet to grasp, although the first syllable has been spoken in a dream you cannot quite recall." --Unknown Armies</span></p>Edited by: [url=http://p068.ezboard.com/brpgww60462.showUserPublicProfile?gid=priamnevhausten>PriamNevhausten</A]&nbsp; Image at: 2/27/06 23:37

Re: Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:57 pm
by Evil Killer Poptarts
Oh, no, I'm a senior in college, and She-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named is also a senior. All the polite conversation and calm debate in the WORLD will not change the opinions I've come up against, unfortunately. <p><div style="text-align:center">Image</div></p>

Re: Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:15 am
by Archmage144
Your school makes you sign an affadavit stating that you won't watch R-rated movies.

Nothing you do or say will ever accomplish anything. =P <p>
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Re: Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:43 am
by Evil Killer Poptarts
You forgot drinking, smoking, having sex, and dancing.

Yes, folks, DANCING is outlawed at my school. <p><div style="text-align:center">Image</div></p>

Re: Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:45 am
by PriamNevhausten
What university is this? Robots and Fun-haters U? Rhetorical question, by the by. <p><span style="font-size:xx-small;">"It's in the air, in the headlines in the newspapers, in the blurry images on television. It is a secret you have yet to grasp, although the first syllable has been spoken in a dream you cannot quite recall." --Unknown Armies</span></p>

Re: Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:48 am
by KingOfDoma
... no, seriously, WHAT school is this? Cuz I think GOD is mad at them for reigning in COLLEGE STUDENTS. <p>

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Re: Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:57 am
by Evil Killer Poptarts
Indiana Wesleyan University.

Please don't do too much damage in your rage. <p><div style="text-align:center">Image</div></p>

Re: Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:07 am
by E Mouse
Now, if I were Bob, I would come riding in there on a tank, armed to the teeth with Captain America paraphenalia, and level the place to the ground.

Unfortunately, I am Fatmus, and thus can only offer to classify the offending staff members as 'mathbooks.' <p>


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">"Their rhetoric... You didn't put communists in his bed did you!" came Amber's indignant reply.

"Why not? All I had to do was open a gate to his bed and stick up a sign saying 'Hot virgin willing to make the ultimate sacrifice in the name of international socialist fraternity.'"</span>

<span style="color:blue;font-size:xx-small;">Excaliburned:</span> <span style="font-size:xx-small;">Ah yes, I'm thinking of having the USS Bob be preserved outside the Arena as a monument of sorts</span></p>

Re: Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:52 am
by Evil Killer Poptarts
Don't worry, there are enough of us "subversive influences" to do plenty of damage.

One project I've always wanted to do is print out copies of "Nemesis Calling" and leave them anonymously about the student center. I will be the Smutfic Ninja!

(I wouldn't advise reading Nemesis Calling unless you desire ocular bleeding. It's insanely well-written, but oh my, it's a difficult read, since it details hardcore Beast Wars crab-on-manta ray action. I've only read it because I am friends with the author, who insists on everyone reading it at least once.) <p><div style="text-align:center">Image</div></p>Edited by: Evil Killer Poptarts at: 2/28/06 2:53

Re: Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:56 am
by E Mouse
Hey now, I read it and I didn't bleed from the eyes!

Though it was a near thing.

On the other hand, I would be sorely tempted to through with that little project idea, but I will never have a solid reason to show up on IWU campus.

Damn. <p>


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">"Their rhetoric... You didn't put communists in his bed did you!" came Amber's indignant reply.

"Why not? All I had to do was open a gate to his bed and stick up a sign saying 'Hot virgin willing to make the ultimate sacrifice in the name of international socialist fraternity.'"</span>

<span style="color:blue;font-size:xx-small;">Excaliburned:</span> <span style="font-size:xx-small;">Ah yes, I'm thinking of having the USS Bob be preserved outside the Arena as a monument of sorts</span></p>

Re: Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:09 am
by Evil Killer Poptarts
Perhaps the week of exams, when they can't kick me out for doing it!

My only dilemma is, everyone knows I'm the resident Transformers fan on campus. Someone would trace it back to me, unfortunately. So I'll have to be doubly sneaky.

Maybe I should just print out Harry Potter smutfic, just to see people go into epileptic convulsions from both the magic AND the smut. >: D <p><div style="text-align:center">Image</div></p>

Re: Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:19 am
by NamagomiMk0
Indiana Wesleyan University?

*shudder* My mother wanted to send me there. I am extremely glad I did not go.

...Though, the "No Dancing" rule reminds me a LOT of my high school. I just hope they don't try to pull ten different kinds of bullshit to suppress individuality, the freedom for expression thereof, and the like. <p>"DO YOU THINK YOU CAN DEFEAT US? OUR TREASURE MAY BE HEAVY, BUT WE ARE LIGHT AS WIND. ONLY MAGICS MAY HURT US, BUT ONLY WE KNOW WHICH ONES." --Omoikane, Digital Devil Saga 2</p>

Re: Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:14 pm
by PriamNevhausten
What happens if you just display images of dancing? Flipbooks of MC Hammer, EVERYWHERE. <p><span style="font-size:xx-small;">"It's in the air, in the headlines in the newspapers, in the blurry images on television. It is a secret you have yet to grasp, although the first syllable has been spoken in a dream you cannot quite recall." --Unknown Armies</span></p>

Re: Why being liberal at a conservative school is fun.

Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:35 pm
by Evil Killer Poptarts
XD XD XD

That is the best idea EVER. I will TOTALLY have to do that! <p><div style="text-align:center">Image</div></p>

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Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:34 pm
by die Dia
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Also:<ul>"If women or minorities had actually done anything important, they WOULD be in the history books."</ul>Ahahaha, ahahaha, haha--ha! And I suppose that if any other parts of the world but Europe and America were important to world history, they would be integrated into our world history lessons...amirite?

Oh, and how do the history books look in other countries? But wait--I can't forget that's different, because in the U.S., we're honest.


But yeah, looks like you must have had fun. I must admit to leaning a bit more toward Priam's viewpoint, as for the actual effectiveness of your arguments. While I'm not much for the whole delicate Q-and-A dance of dead Greek philosophers, or pampering already bloated egos with all the cinnamon and sugar of formulaic pleasantries--I've come to accept that bluntness in debate only goes so far for those not willing to be challenged. I'm guessing, though, that you weren't going for that so much as taking it out against the student body in general.


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Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:10 pm
by BrainWalker
No offense, but your school sucks ass.

But hey, at least you're a good sport about it, and still manage to find ways to amuse yourself while simultaneously pressing the buttons of other people. <p><div style="text-align:center">Image</div></p>

*attempts to upstage Dia*

Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:26 pm
by E Mouse
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I don't suppose it would be even remotely difficult to find one of such writings at fanfiction.net? <p>


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">"Their rhetoric... You didn't put communists in his bed did you!" came Amber's indignant reply.

"Why not? All I had to do was open a gate to his bed and stick up a sign saying 'Hot virgin willing to make the ultimate sacrifice in the name of international socialist fraternity.'"</span>

<span style="color:blue;font-size:xx-small;">Excaliburned:</span> <span style="font-size:xx-small;">Ah yes, I'm thinking of having the USS Bob be preserved outside the Arena as a monument of sorts</span></p>Edited by: [url=http://p068.ezboard.com/brpgww60462.showUserPublicProfile?gid=emouse>E]&nbsp; Image at: 2/28/06 18:07

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Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:58 pm
by nobody here but us pocket
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by nobody here but us pocket
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Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:07 pm
by E Mouse
But I'm not IN Gryffindor!

... AWESOME!

*attempts to piss Snape off more* <p>


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">"Their rhetoric... You didn't put communists in his bed did you!" came Amber's indignant reply.

"Why not? All I had to do was open a gate to his bed and stick up a sign saying 'Hot virgin willing to make the ultimate sacrifice in the name of international socialist fraternity.'"</span>

<span style="color:blue;font-size:xx-small;">Excaliburned:</span> <span style="font-size:xx-small;">Ah yes, I'm thinking of having the USS Bob be preserved outside the Arena as a monument of sorts</span></p>

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Unread postPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:34 am
by Evil Killer Poptarts
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Ahahaha, ahahaha, haha--ha! And I suppose that if any other parts of the world but Europe and America were important to world history, they would be integrated into our world history lessons...amirite?


Yeah, I'd already brought that up, and got hit with the "But we're AMERICANS, we're FROM Europe" argument, which just made me want to hit my head on something for a while. Nevermind just how many people in the US are NOT of European descent. (Granted, I am, but I get criticized for being German and therefore a Nazi around here, so whatever.)

I was all like, "But dude, we're a melting pot. We've got people from absolutely EVERYWHERE."

"YES BUT MOSTLY EUROPE."

So obviously, our minorites don't matter. YAY!

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But yeah, looks like you must have had fun. I must admit to leaning a bit more toward Priam's viewpoint, as for the actual effectiveness of your arguments. While I'm not much for the whole delicate Q-and-A dance of dead Greek philosophers, or pampering already bloated egos with all the cinnamon and sugar of formulaic pleasantries--I've come to accept that bluntness in debate only goes so far for those not willing to be challenged. I'm guessing, though, that you weren't going for that so much as taking it out against the student body in general.


After doing that dance all semester, I was fed up and felt like exploding and being a total twit, and I had a great time doing so. Let them think what they want; I got my point out, however misconstrued it shall now be. No matter what, if I don't match them EXACTLY, I'm wrong anyway, so I might as well enjoy it! <p><div style="text-align:center">Image</div></p>

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Unread postPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:18 am
by Archmage144
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(Granted, I am, but I get criticized for being German and therefore a Nazi around here, so whatever.)

I was under the impression that your academic institution strongly supported tyrannical fascism under the guise of a Christian agenda. <p>
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Unread postPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:41 am
by Besyanteo
Yes, but if they didn't break Godwin's law, the paint would melt off the walls and the windows would shatter and all the paintings would become Lovecraftian horrors out of horror and revulsion at the student body's left wing nature.

Or something. :o <p>
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Unread postPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:17 pm
by PriamNevhausten
VIGO THE CARPATHIAN HAS RETURNED <p><span style="font-size:xx-small;">"It's in the air, in the headlines in the newspapers, in the blurry images on television. It is a secret you have yet to grasp, although the first syllable has been spoken in a dream you cannot quite recall." --Unknown Armies</span></p>

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Unread postPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:58 pm
by Besyanteo
20 points to Priam. I wasn't actually making that reference, but it's still fucking AWESOME. <p>
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Unread postPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:14 pm
by E Mouse
I demand elaboration. <p>


<span style="font-size:xx-small;">"Their rhetoric... You didn't put communists in his bed did you!" came Amber's indignant reply.

"Why not? All I had to do was open a gate to his bed and stick up a sign saying 'Hot virgin willing to make the ultimate sacrifice in the name of international socialist fraternity.'"</span>

<span style="color:blue;font-size:xx-small;">Excaliburned:</span> <span style="font-size:xx-small;">Ah yes, I'm thinking of having the USS Bob be preserved outside the Arena as a monument of sorts</span></p>

wut

Unread postPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:13 pm
by Archmage144
Go watch Ghostbusters.


Re: wut

Unread postPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:48 pm
by KingOfDoma
THEN watch Ghostbusters 2, which actually contains the reference. <p>

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Re: wut

Unread postPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:54 pm
by Choark
Then watch Ghostbusters again because its better and deserves to be watched. <p><div style="text-align:center"> </div>
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Re: wut

Unread postPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 7:54 pm
by Evil Killer Poptarts
No WONDER I didn't catch the reference. I haven't seen Ghostbusters 1 or 2 in like, eight years.

Yes, that addition to my sci fi/fantasy collection is sadly missing. ;_; <p><div style="text-align:center">Image</div></p>

Re: wut

Unread postPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:45 pm
by PriamNevhausten
Cho has the right of it.

*spends his 20 Bes-points on crack, dies of an overdose two hours later* <p><span style="font-size:xx-small;">"It's in the air, in the headlines in the newspapers, in the blurry images on television. It is a secret you have yet to grasp, although the first syllable has been spoken in a dream you cannot quite recall." --Unknown Armies</span></p>

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Unread postPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:05 pm
by Battle Accountant
The history books IWU is using must be 30 years old, or something. The history books at my university were packed full of all the aspects of American history (INCLUDING the womens and the minorities).

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Re: wut

Unread postPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:28 pm
by BrainWalker
This thread got pretty hilarious recently. I love this forum. <p><div style="text-align:center">Image</div></p>