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by **KingOfDoma** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:59 am

Man, this new browser sucks. It looks like garbage, and the Sixaxis is NOT meant for typing...

... oh yeah. I GOT A PS3! WOO!

More to come on a more intuitive browser...

by **PriamNevhausten** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:44 am

Ahahahahahahahaha.

by **Capntastic** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:00 am

I just spent 400 dollars on theoretical future worth! WOO!

by **Molokidan** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:22 am

Theoretical future worth -- now with no backwards compatibility!

by **FlamingDeth** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:17 am

It has just as much backwards combatability as anything else.

And as many good games as any of the other new systems.

Stop being haters, yo.

by **Shinigori V2** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:12 am

It's also got a pricetag that's over 100$ more than any other system, when you can get roughly the same stuff for them!

Woo!

by **pd Rydia** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:58 am

So what PS3 games you plan to get?

by **BrainWalker** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:20 pm

This topic made me smile.

That probably means I'm a bad person.

But sometimes it's fun to be bad.

by **WillBaseton** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:23 pm

Shinigori V2 wrote:It's also got a pricetag that's over 100$ more than any other system, when you can get roughly the same stuff for them!

A minimum of $50 more than the best valued 360 model, and it ships with more features. And the "no games" argument is effectively dead as of this holiday season, so let's not even start with that one. :P

As for Charles, PSN username. Now. Or I gut ya. I require more people to destroy in Warhawk.

by **pd Rydia** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:37 pm

Well, our 360 was less than our retail Wii. :3

Though I would like to know what these games are.

by **Jak Snide** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:14 pm

If you don't have Uncharted then you are officially wasting your console, sir. DMC4 is also worth snagging (when it's out) if the demo is anything to go by.

Don't know much else to say about the PS3, besides the fact that it's still stupidly pricey.

by **WillBaseton** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:32 pm

Mr. Snide speaks truth on the first two points. Uncharted is fantastic (beat it this morning!) and if you don't get it you're doing your PS3 a tremendous disservice, and DMC4 looks like it's continuing its franchise standard of awesomeness next week. Excepting DMC2, that is. As for other titles...

Folklore's great if you like jRPGs and a good story with your games, Warhawk if you like online multiplayer, Ninja Gaiden Sigma if you enjoy being raped, Assassin's Creed if you like over-hyped underperformers, The Orange Box, Resistance or Call of Duty 4 if you're into FPS, Ratchet and Clank, Dynasty Warriors 6 and DW: Gundam, Eye of Judgment if you like collectible card games, and so on and so forth. Not to mention the system's fully region free, so if a game or demo comes out exclusively in Europe or Japan that you want, you can get it without even modding. I do that for demos all the time.

And then there's the downloadable stuff, the PS1 Classics like Wild ARMs and Symphony of the Night for 6 bucks on the PSN, Everyday Shooter (pretty much the best shmup game since Ikaruga), Super Stardust HD, Tekken Dark Resurrection...

And that's just the stuff I've actually played.

Then, of course, there is the stuff on the horizon that everyone probably already knows about like Metal Gear Solid 4, LittleBigPlanet, both FFXIIIs, White Knight Story, The Last Remnant, InFamous, Shin Megami Tensei 4...anyways, the "no games" argument worked last year before the price cut and before games like Uncharted, Folklore, and DMC4 came out. Saying it now is just fanboyism.

by **Jak Snide** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:49 pm

Has the problem with bluray disks rotting been resolved yet? That's something pretty worrying, given not many people like the idea of their games wearing out over time.

by **WillBaseton** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:53 pm

Honestly, I never even heard of that until I clicked the link, Jak, so I have to guess it can't be a huge problem or game blogs would've jumped all over it once their games stopped working en masse.

by **Idran1701** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:38 am

WillBaseton wrote:Honestly, I never even heard of that until I clicked the link, Jak, so I have to guess it can't be a huge problem or game blogs would've jumped all over it once their games stopped working en masse.

It's definitely not seeming to be a common problem, but laser rot's been known as far back as laserdiscs, it happens to all forms of optical media. I can't find a comparison to how often it's happened in Blu-ray vs. CDs or DVDs, but as little as I've found suggests it's probably no more or less common than it is for those formats.

by **Capntastic** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:58 am

I'm too lazy to find the chart, but the Nintendo DS is selling like four times as much as the PS3, XB360, and Wii combined.

by **Idran1701** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:03 am

Capntastic wrote:I'm too lazy to find the chart, but the Nintendo DS is selling like four times as much as the PS3, XB360, and Wii combined.

No one's talking about how much stuff is selling, and that's completely meaningless to if something's good or not. I know you love mentioning that statistic, but it's meaningless in this discussion, Zero.

Edit: Also, looking further, there are HD-DVD discs that have been found to have laser rot too; didn't mention that in my last post, but it seems to be the case.

by **KingOfDoma** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:10 am

OK, OK, OK. Work/laziness/PS3! caused the slow response.

First off, I'll be going by good ol' KingOfDoma. And if I get Warhawk, you have to promise to get CoD4.

Secondly, the only time I worry about lack of games is for renting. There was ONE RACK'S WORTH at Blockbuster, and none of them were worth my time. (Sonic the Hedgehog? Is it 1994?)

Thirdish, if I have a disc rot on me, you guys will be the first to know.

And fourthical... DMC4 demo. See ya. *poff*

by **Capntastic** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:46 am

How many weeks wages is that demo costing you? :laugh:

by **Shinigori V2** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:12 am

Blockbuster, from what I heard (Being management at one) will not be carrying PS3 games on large until they're sure they'll rent.

Which they don't.

by **FlamingDeth** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:56 am

Holy crap, Shini and/or Zero. Did a PS3 murder your parents or something?

by **Justice Augustus** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:45 am

*Is currently working at a GAME store*

So we get a lot of people coming in trying to decide which console to buy and over the past few months I've been able to give people a few guidelines on how to choose a console for them.

1) What are you buying it for?

Is it going to be just a games machine, or do you want DVD playback or a complete entertainment system. There's no doubt the PS3 has the best all-round entertainment system at the moment, and if you're a movie buff then $400 is actually relatively cheap for a Blu-Ray player. Remember, the 360 can play HD-DVD, but you need to shell out for the add-on (and it's about $180, or 100 pounds). The Wii totally loses here. Sure the news and weather channels are cool, but no DVD playback let alone anything else means the Wii is for games. Of course, most people only buy the machine to play games, which leads us to...

2) What kind of games do you like?

Sports? Shooting? Racing? Action? Party? Why buy a Wii if you just want to play Fifa? Why buy a 360/PS3 if it's for a 5 year old child who wants to play party games? These are all bits of advice I've had togive to people, and they've been very thankful for it. When choosing a machine, look at the currently available games for the machine, as these will give you an idea of the groups the machine is marketed towards. For example, the Wii has a lot of bright colourful games with simple controls and low violence. Thus a 15 year old who wants to shoot and kill will have to make do with Red Steel and Mortal Kombat, neither of which I recommend highly.

3) Exclusives/Non-Exclusives

Have to play Halo? Then why buy a PS3? Even weirder are the people who say "I'm buying a PS3 for Fifa/Pro Evolution/Assassin's Creed and so on, when all of these games are available on the 360. I wish people would do more research and see "Oh that game I really like is a Wii exclusive" rather than coming back with their PS3 two weeks later and yelling at me because it won't play Galaxy.

These are the most important factors, because after all these are VIDEO GAME MACHINES. So you buy it to play VIDEO GAMES. I can't stand people who say "I'm buying this machine because of blah blah ability blah specs." Does nobody remember the Dreamcast? Look for what you'll do with the machine, not what the machine could-possibly-do-one-day-if-someone-gets-around-to-it. It's also frustrating to see how many people buy a PS3 because it's made by Sony or because they liked the PS2. DOES NOBODY REMEMBER THE DREAMCAST? Or the Gamecube for that matter (I know a lot of people liked it but I bought it just because it was a Nintendo machine and regretted that decision for a long time, eventually replacing it with an Xbox).

Anyway, that's my little rant. Now for the actual machines themselves:

Gus' list of current consoles

1) Nintendo DS

Just look at it. It's so cute! And underneath it's hood is a fantastic machine. Plus the library of games is outstanding, with a choice for nearly everyone (although the hardcore gamer demographic is ignored to a large extent). I just see that everyone who picks up this machine can find a game they like, and I applaud Nintendo for that. It's no wonder that it's outselling everything else by a mile.
Currently playing: New Super Mario Bros, Pheonix Wright: Trials and Tribulations, Elite Beat Agents

2) Xbox 360

This machine is not that impressive really. Doesn't look that great, not the most powerful hardware, not great upgrade possibilities either. But that's where the complaints end. My personal opinion is that for your average gamer, who's looking for action, adventure, shooting, racing, and sports games, the 360 is the best choice. Great line up of both current and approaching games, fantastic controllers, and good all-round library (note how few PS3 games are available for children) makes this a really solid choice.
Currently Playing: Mass Effect (I will finish it one day), Guitar Hero 2 and 3

3) Nintendo Wii

Again Nintendo have made a fantastic machine with an interesting control system that has some cracking games on it. Unfortunately there aren't many great games available for it, but it makes up for that with wonderful multiplayer (Wii Sports and Wario Ware). I always refer to this as the kitten of the current generation, partly because of all the cute "purring" noises it makes when loading up games and features. The Miis are a great idea, and if you've got the money you will not regret buying this machine solely for Galaxy. I'm hoping that Brawl and Kart will also be fantastic, but at the moment there's very few other games available that I think are world class. Except for Tiger Woods.
Currently Playing: Super Mario Galaxy, Tiger Woods 08

4) Playstation 3

Quick note: not counting the PS2 in this list even though it's actually outselling the PS3 in Europe. Just want to point out that for the 300 pound price of a PS3 you can get a PS2 with 4 controllers, multitap, memory card, and between 10 and 80 games (a lot of the old ones are now sold in a 4 for 10 pounds promotion, as well as Buy One Get One Free deals).
The PS3 should be better than it is. That's it really. You've got 2 really great exclusives (Warhawk and Drake's), and then everything else is either multiplatform or outshone by something else on a different machine. Hopefully the big names they have lined up for this year will give the PS3 a better library, and then I might actually start recommending it above the 360. I'm looking forward to trying DMC4 and MGS4, and I know that Gran Turismo will shift well (not my cup of tea). But it's been a bit of a weak start to what most people would have assumed (following the success of the PS2) would be the winner of this generation.
Currently Playing: Uncharted: Drake's Fortune

5) PSP

A couple of good games, but not worth the price tag. Games lack innovation mostly, large numbers of sequels and rehashes of old ideas. Just a generally uninspiring machine in my opinion. Still, the multimedia capabilities are impressive, and there's a couple of diamonds in the rough out there. Seems to mostly sell on the Sony name to 8-13 year old boys who want to play GTA games.
Currently Playing: Nothing

by **pd Rydia** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:59 am

Capntastic wrote:I'm too lazy to find the chart, but the Nintendo DS is selling like four times as much as the PS3, XB360, and Wii combined.

That was certainly not the case in the United States this December: [lunk]. Here's another link with annual and life-to-date tallies: [lunk], where the PS2 beats the crap out of all the other hardware--probably because it's been around longer, eh?

The DS is still selling pretty damn impressively, but then again:
[1] it's the cheapest of the 6 pieces of hardware, costing the same price as a new PS2,
[2] it generally has positive press surrounding it (as opposed to the 360's "red ring of death", the PS3's "$599 US dollars!", the PSP's "not doing as well as the DS"),
[3] it doesn't have the availability problems that, say, the Wii has,
[4] it has a hefty existing library of quality (and sub-quality) games that, say, the Wii and PS3 can't yet compare to.

[edit]
Gus, has Zack & Wiki come out over there yet? It's a pretty classy game. :3

by **Jak Snide** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:00 pm

Suicidal Sprite wrote:2) Xbox 360
Currently Playing: Mass Effect (I will finish it one day), Guitar Hero 2 and 3

Come on, man. Steve started and finished the game while you've been gone. Get your ass in gear.

Also worth mentioning: PS3 is getting the Final Fantasy games. Currently my view on that series is "fuck that shit" after I found 12 to be an ultimately hollow experience. Still, if you want those games, you're going to have to go for a PS3.

Also, an argument presented by Phil: the PS3 has more long term potential. Now, I'm an 360 owner and scoff at the idea of buying a PS3, but I have to admit there are two crippling flaws in the 360's hardware, overheating aside.

1) A hard drive is not standard. This means that there's no caching of data and everything is streamed straight off the disc. This is responsible for the sometimes horrendous texture pop-up you get. Gears of War and Mass Effect are the main culprits here, the latter arguably being worse because nothing kills a cinematic game more than the graphics not being properly loaded during a dramatic scene. And, because not every 360 has a hard drive, games can't be made to take advantage of caching data to one.

2) HD-DVD drive is not standard. This is the crux of Phil's argument. Regardless of your opinion on whether it's better or worse than Blu-Ray, the supports a disc format that can store vast quantities of data by default. The HD-DVD drive is an extra for the 360 and, as such, HD-DVD exclusive games aren't a viable option. This is eventually (and arguably already is) leading to developers having problems with fitting a game's content onto a single disc.

by **Justice Augustus** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:06 pm

Jak Snide wrote:
Suicidal Sprite wrote:2) Xbox 360
Currently Playing: Mass Effect (I will finish it one day), Guitar Hero 2 and 3

Come on, man. Steve started and finished the game while you've been gone. Get your ass in gear.

Yes, but can he rock you like a hurricane?

by **BrainWalker** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:18 pm

Gus to the rescue!

by **Jak Snide** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:10 pm

Suicidal Sprite wrote:Yes, but can he rock you like a hurricane?

No. And believe me, I'm thankful for that.

by **KingOfDoma** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:56 pm

I would be an idiot if I did not buy a video game machine for the games. Though I don't have a hard-on like some people have for MGS4 (didn't get in on the ground level, and probably never will... besides, for people not familiar with the ins and outs of the series, mech walkers with shapely, feminine legs just seems... weird), stuff like DMC4, FFXIII (I'm always willing to give an FF a fair shake before I call it ass), and, let's remember, GOD OF WAR 3 (Yeah, sure, in, like, 2 years, but still!) will definitely keep me interested in my Onyx Monolith. I also have to add that the current library that's just barely out of my reach (Warhawk, CoD4, Assassin's Creed and what the heck, Heavenly Sword) seems awesome too, and worth my time.

That all being said, if I said the fact that it's also a Blu-Ray player never crossed my mind when it came time to decide, I'd be lying. That's just extra goodness on top. Having to go HD to enjoy it fully and being able to go backwards compatible are good reasons to own it too.

Oh, and I have a DS. Mario, Luigi, and their childlike counterparts just got shot out of a monster's ASS. HIS ASS. It's the first time I've seen the ol' "I'm trapped in someone's body" madness and had the exit ACTUALLY BE THE ASS. They always go out a tearduct or a nostril or something. So gross...

by **Shinigori V2** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:26 pm

FlamingDeth wrote:Holy crap, Shini and/or Zero. Did a PS3 murder your parents or something?

Wow, saying "Here's something you might like to know about a company I used to work for as management" indicates "I HATE THE SYSTEM"?

Fascinating.

by **FlamingDeth** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:43 pm

Shinigori V2 wrote:It's also got a pricetag that's over 100$ more than any other system, when you can get roughly the same stuff for them!

Woo!

Shinigori V2 wrote:Blockbuster, from what I heard (Being management at one) will not be carrying PS3 games on large until they're sure they'll rent.

Which they don't.

Your previous post set the tone for your second one, and even on it's own, it's got an "I hate the system" tone to it, thanks to the closing line. I have my doubts that's what your big corporate head-honchos think, because saying "We won't carry these things because they don't rent because we don't carry them" is rather circular logic.

by **Shinigori V2** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:21 pm

Sorry, who was management for that place again?

Oh, right.

That would've been me.

They have test markets for that. The test markets, nobody gave a shit. The entire state of Colorado, which is a test market for Blockbuster, rented a grand total of, if I remember correctly, twenty games in a three month period back before Christmas.

by **PriamNevhausten** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:45 pm

In all fairness, Zero has been eighty thousand times less reasonable than Shini.

by **Ganonfro** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:38 pm

All I can think of when I see the title is "Shitty-Ass Browser"... Or... "Shitty Ass-browser!" :D :D ... D:

by **Capntastic** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:35 am

Hey, I'm gonna need some sources for that eighty thousand.

by **Endesu** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:08 am

Your five sources are all located in a wet bucket. You may go soak your head while you're there, ye sod.

by **Capntastic** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:30 am

by **Jak Snide** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:18 am

Here's some console related news to divert this thread away from bickering.

Also, Heavenly Sword and Assassin's Creed are both renters from all the noise I hear. The former is just short, while the latter lacks replayability and the free running mechanic is the only big draw. If you had a 360 I'd recommend Crackdown, since that has a (different) brand of building hopping mechanics to it, along with a truly open world. Oh, and explosions. Lots of them. And we know explosions fix everything.

by **Justice Augustus** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:10 am

I really just didn't rate Assassin's Creed at all. Gave it a good chance, playing all the way to the free-action part, but still found the game to be a chore and just plain dull. Too much of Ubisoft trying to show off their voice actors and plot lines. Plus combat was just dull. People were trying to say it would be "GTA in the middle ages", but it's more apt to compare it to one of those poor quality GTA clones like True Crime or Driv3r in the middle ages.

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