Takahashi Critical Of Nintendo Revolution

[Endesu]

The creator of Katamari Damacy sees no real interest in the upcoming Revolution. <p><hr />
<div style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:xx-small;">Curtis: Dannyboy, look at you. You've changed considerably, into a badass, if I may.
Dan: Yeah, you've changed a lot too, into an old man! I went to see the devil, now it's your turn!
Curtis: Oh, my pupil, so tenacious of life, guess I have to kill you again.
Dan: Shut up, before you run out of breath!
Curtis: I got rid of those smiles, there's no one left to disturb our game. Just you, and me.
Dan: Sounds fair, 'cuz I hate holding back, even for an old fart like yourself.
Curtis: Talk all you want, I won't need six bullets for you.
Dan: Or four for you.</span>
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[Steve]

One Steve Britt found not to care.

Details at never.

[FlamingDeth]

In other exciting news, it is currently Wednesday! <p>
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[PriamNevhausten]

This dude is kind of an idiot.

"Hey, we made you guys have to worry less about the limitations of our hardware interface!"

"Yeah, well fuck you too!" <p><span style="font-size:xx-small;">"It's in the air, in the headlines in the newspapers, in the blurry images on television. It is a secret you have yet to grasp, although the first syllable has been spoken in a dream you cannot quite recall." --Unknown Armies</span></p>

[Zemyla]

Well, he did say he's never going to create another Katamari game. So maybe he doesn't really care. <p>-----
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[NamagomiMk0]

Well, it looks like he and I have something in common. Because I have no interest in the Nintendo Revolution either.

...Then again, I'm more interested in the PS3. DMC4, BABY! <p>"DO YOU THINK YOU CAN DEFEAT US? OUR TREASURE MAY BE HEAVY, BUT WE ARE LIGHT AS WIND. ONLY MAGICS MAY HURT US, BUT ONLY WE KNOW WHICH ONES." --Omoikane, Digital Devil Saga 2</p>

[pd Rydia]

Note: didn't read the link. I've never cared about others' reviews of stuff too much before, especially not before something's been released. I mean--personal differences. Some people will like something, some people won't. That's how it goes.

I'm still totally hyped about the Rev, myself. Any new news about when it's coming out or whatnot? <p><hr /><div style="text-align:center">dictionary.com | encyclopædia dramatica</div></p>

[Archmage144]

Last I checked, he didn't produce any games for any Nintendo systems.

That's a little like 1990's Miyamoto stating he will not be interested in developing games for the Sega CD. <p><hr /><div style="text-align:center">

RPGWW Wiki!</div></p>

[Capntastic]

Not at all,as he's just pointing out that Nintendo's newest big-ticket item is, (Who would have thought?) a pointless gimmick that is going to do more to turn off game-developers than to stimulate their wacky creativities.


I mean, there's maybe six games for the DS that actually use the dual-screens in a fun way. The best selling games like Castlevania: DoS or Advance Wars: DS only make it so you have to use the touch-screen for a few gimmicky moments like drawing runes or whatever.

[KingOfDoma]

And yet, the DS is doing surprisingly well, considering what people thought of it initially, AND compared to the ubersleek PSP, due to the fact that its games make it desirable.

Bottom line? Nintendo works miracles regularly. Seriously. Have faith. <p><hr />
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[Capntastic]

Oh, the Revolution will be fine so long as a few games come out for it worth playing. I mean, almost everyone I know that has an XBOX360 got it to play Halo 3 when it comes out and just use it to play Halo 1 and 2 right now.

[NebulaQueen]

While I'm not giddily awaiting the new system myself, I do hope that it's wildy successful, to the point that it becomes a significant influence in designing future games and consoles. The irony would be delicious. <p><hr />
"My naturally quivering state makes any display of fear deliciously arbitrary" - Manowar Leader, Scary-Go-Round</p>

[Archmage144]

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a pointless gimmick

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See quote about Sega CD. <p><hr /><div style="text-align:center">

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[Capntastic]

The point still stands that the Nintendo Beer-hat makes it tricky when developers pretty much wanna make FPS or Platformers or RPGs without having to work in a dynamic beverage suction analog control system just to be hip.

[Archmage144]

It does adapt to a roughly Gamecube-esque controller if desired, IIRC. <p><hr /><div style="text-align:center">

RPGWW Wiki!</div></p>

[Capntastic]

Which is what people will end up doing.

[NebulaQueen]

Actually, this makes me curious. If the controller itself can adapt to a more traditional controller, then maybe there will be games that can adapt to both playstyles. It could be interesting to see, if done right. <p><hr />
"My naturally quivering state makes any display of fear deliciously arbitrary" - Manowar Leader, Scary-Go-Round</p>

[E Mouse]

Then watch this get carried into games requiring the use of both systems. <p><hr />

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[Ganonfro]

Don't you fucking dare joke about that!


...They might be watching...


*Looks around in the horrible bliss of paranoia*

[EKDS5k]

Mostly what I'm hearing from Cap'ndipshit is "I don't want things to change ever ever."

Not at all,as he's just pointing out that Nintendo's newest big-ticket item is, (Who would have thought?) a pointless gimmick that is going to do more to turn off game-developers than to stimulate their wacky creativities.

If you had actually read anything, you'd know that most developers are excited about the new controller, and what they can do with it. If they spit out games where it's just a gimmick, guess what, nobody will buy them, and it'll sell horribly. The games that make good use of it will sell well.

I mean, there's maybe six games for the DS that actually use the dual-screens in a fun way. The best selling games like Castlevania: DoS or Advance Wars: DS only make it so you have to use the touch-screen for a few gimmicky moments like drawing runes or whatever.

You're confusing touch-screen functionality with the fact that it has two screens. In every game the dual screens have been, at the very least, more useful than if there was only one. The touch screen is there if the game needs it. This is like complaining that not every game on the PS2 uses the R3 and L3 buttons. If you want games that incorporate the touch-screen specifically in a fun way (ie: more than an inventory/menu screen), then off the top of my head, I can name at least Meteos, Brain Age, Shonen Jump, and Kirby's Canvas Curse. That's four right there, without even thinking. After a little more thought, I come up with Nintendogs, that attorney game that I forget the name of, the doctor game, and Elektroplankton. And those are just the ones that I've played/seen personally.

I mean, almost everyone I know that has an XBOX360 got it to play Halo 3 when it comes out and just use it to play Halo 1 and 2 right now.

There are two possible things I could say to this:
a)Kudos to Microsoft's marketing department, as they've successfully gotten people to drop $500-600 to play one game, that will likely be similar to the old ones, only with better graphics, or
b)Everyone you know who (not "that," "who") has an Xbox360 is an idiot.

The point still stands that the Nintendo Beer-hat makes it tricky when developers pretty much wanna make FPS or Platformers or RPGs without having to work in a dynamic beverage suction analog control system just to be hip.

Here's that "I don't want new things" attitude again. Do you have any idea how awesome a FPS will be on the Revolution? You know the controller has a built in light gun, too, right? It'll be like having a 3d mouse. As for RPGs, it's not like you need a hell of a lot of buttons. A d-pad, select, and cancel are all that's really necessary. I suppose if the developer wanted to at least put forth a token effort, then they could make the menus point and click, as it were.

It does adapt to a roughly Gamecube-esque controller if desired, IIRC.

It will be compatible with Gamecube controllers out of the box.

And yet, the DS is doing surprisingly well, considering what people thought of it initially, AND compared to the ubersleek PSP, due to the fact that its games make it desirable.

Actually, the DS is running about even with the PSP in North America. It's not even a contest in Japan, though, the PSP is so far behind.

In conclusion, Capntastic is a dumbass. Things change, generally for the better, or they stagnate and die (see: Xbox360 controller, which is essentially the same as the last one. also see: PS2 controller, which was the same as the PS controller. Although seeing that boomerang controller that Sony has since scrapped, they may have been smart to keep the old design rather than try and make a new one.). In 10 years, there won't be a game controller that doesn't have some sort of gyroscopic sensor built into it. Also Namagomi is a stupid name.

PS. If you thought I could have made this post without the sarcasm and personal attacks, you clearly don't know me that well.

[LadyDragonClawsEDW]

For Doc:

Attorney game = Phoenix Wright, Ace Attorney.

Additionally, there's also 'Under the Knife', the surgeon game for the DS where you use the stylus to slice people up (apparently). Furthermore, Wario Ware, Feel the Magic, Jam with the Band (which needs a fucking US release) and Ouendan (which also needs a fucking US release) also use the touch-screen. Ouendan is based entirely on the touch-screen, in fact.

I'll have to admit, when I first heard about the DS, I thought it was pretty stupid. Wee. Two screens. Woopdedoo! Turns out there's some great, creative stuff to play on it. I'll also admit that so far, I think the revolution controller designs look pretty dumb and I'm not too thrilled at the idea of having to buy extra attachments so I can play the swordchucks like a regular controller. I'll gladly change my opinion if, when using this controller, I find it to be fun.

Also: oh NOES, a Playstation game designer is being critical of one of his competitors? Perish the thought! I thought we only saw this in politics!

[Idran1701]

Don't forget Trace Memory and Into The Blue, Kate, those both use the stylus (and in the case of Trace Memory, the dual-screen functionality) to great effect. Heck, I'm surprised more people haven't realized just how perfect the DS is for adventure games, honestly.

Also:

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PS. If you thought I could have made this post without the sarcasm and personal attacks, you clearly don't know me that well.

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Well, this saves me the effort, because honestly Zero, I pretty much agree with every single point Doc made though without the sarcasm or name-calling. And in fact I was just about to make exactly such a post before I saw that he beat me to it. <p><hr />
"Never let your morals get in the way of doing what is right" - Salvor Hardin
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[NamagomiMk0]

Despite name-calling being a practice that, until today, I thought was abandoned in the third grade, Doc does bring up some viable points--PARTICULARLY with potential innovations. Though I'm still not convinced to buy the Revolution, the possible innovations are countless, pending on the attachments used--and this could be the first case a FPS could do better with a console array than a keyboard-mouse setup. Additionally, this could bring about a (pun not intended) revolution in some console RPGs' gameplay--something that is typically glossed over despite the word "game" being included in the acronym.

Of course, I'm the one with the stupid name, so I'm obviously not worth listening to.

[Besyanteo]

As Doc and Idran said. I'd have posted something, but it wouldn't have been as to the point or eloquent as Doc's post was.

It probably doesn't help that this reminds me more or less of <span style="color:red;">Zero's</span> old(or is it still current?) attitude that anything well known must be utter shit, in his effort to become "Indie". He really hasn't done anything more here than basically say "No, you're a dumb head because I'm right and you're wrong." over and over.

:( It's old, it needs to stop. <p>

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<div style="text-align:center"></div></p>Edited by: Besyanteo&nbsp; at: 4/27/06 13:11

[Archmage144]

Can I get pronoun clarification on that, Bes? <p><hr /><div style="text-align:center">

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[LadyDragonClawsEDW]

Pronoun check, cashier 4!

[Besyanteo]

I believe that's what you're looking for.

Edit: Now mostly checked for spelling! <p>

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<div style="text-align:center"></div></p>Edited by: Besyanteo&nbsp; at: 4/27/06 13:12

[FF Fanatic 80]

...right then. Personal Disagreements aside, if that's possible. =[

I submit to you, another interesting turn in the drama that is the revolution:

Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

And in case anyone thinks it's a hoax:

Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Edited by: FF Fanatic 80&nbsp; at: 4/27/06 13:55

[Idran1701]

I actually like the name. Not that should surprise anyone, since I tend to like just about anything that isn't outright literally offensive. (Edit: Physically offensive, I mean; music loud enough to cause actual hearing damage, for example.)

Like I said to Bes, it's the first console name I can think of except Dreamcast and maybe Intellivision that actually means something beyond "Hey games are fun :O", let alone the multitude that don't really mean anything at all. And I'm not positive that Dreamcast isn't in that latter category. I'm glad to see that they're actually putting some effort into choosing a name. <p><hr />
"Never let your morals get in the way of doing what is right" - Salvor Hardin
</p>Edited by: [url=http://p068.ezboard.com/brpgww60462.showUserPublicProfile?gid=idran1701>Idran1701</A] at: 4/27/06 14:14

[Endesu]

... while I can't say I like the name, it rolls off the tongue a lot better than a name like 'Nuon' does. <p><hr />
<div style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:xx-small;">Curtis: Dannyboy, look at you. You've changed considerably, into a badass, if I may.
Dan: Yeah, you've changed a lot too, into an old man! I went to see the devil, now it's your turn!
Curtis: Oh, my pupil, so tenacious of life, guess I have to kill you again.
Dan: Shut up, before you run out of breath!
Curtis: I got rid of those smiles, there's no one left to disturb our game. Just you, and me.
Dan: Sounds fair, 'cuz I hate holding back, even for an old fart like yourself.
Curtis: Talk all you want, I won't need six bullets for you.
Dan: Or four for you.</span>
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[Capntastic]

I don't see how I hate everything well known, much less attempt to become 'indie'. I think that's a pretty amusing misconception and I'd love to see some solid evidence for it.

Anyways, I am not saying "I HATE CHANGE THE REVOLUTION SUCKS!!", I was merely expressing fears that for every gem that comes out for the Rev, there will be scores of games that are either really lame, or comprised of mini-games that get old after a while.

Of course, I could have gotten my point across better I'm sure if I resorted to personal attacks to show just how serious I am about other people's videogame opinions.

[Idran1701]

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..I was merely expressing fears that for every gem that comes out for the <every console ever made>, there will be scores of games that are either really lame, or comprised of mini-games that get old after a while.

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"Never let your morals get in the way of doing what is right" - Salvor Hardin
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[Capntastic]

Pretty much.

[Idran1701]

I'm not sure why you fear that, since it's going to happen. There are always many times more games that suck than games that are "true gems" for any system, just like for every type of entertainment there's ever been, there's many times more examples of things that suck than things that are great. I'd think you would have gotten used to it by now. <p><hr />
"Never let your morals get in the way of doing what is right" - Salvor Hardin
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[FF Fanatic 80]

Uh, not to personally bash, but.

You realize this has been the case for EVERY GAME SYSTEM EVER, right? =[

For every Disgaea, there are 10 or 15 "Barbie's Pony Adventure" games that show just how crappy a developer will make a game, hoping to sell it solely on the name alone =[


*EDIT: And Idran makes the point for me just as I post it. Bastage =[*

Edited by: [url=http://p068.ezboard.com/brpgww60462.showUserPublicProfile?gid=fffanatic80>FF]&nbsp; at: 4/27/06 15:27

[Capntastic]

The DS had nary more than the Mario 64 port for about a half a year before anything better came out. It was a dissapointment to early adopters.

(Edit: And it was just last month that the grandly awaited Metroid Hunters came out for it. FF3j still hasn't come out, when it was advertised as being released in March of 2005)

I'm not getting excited until the Revolution is out, bugs are worked out, and a bunch of worthwhile games are out for it.

I only bought a Gamecube two years ago because I was able to pick up Eternal Darkness, F-ZERO, Metroid Prime, and any number of other great games.

I've found that early adoption in regard to videogames is often a test of patience and moneys.

Edited by: [url=http://p068.ezboard.com/brpgww60462.showUserPublicProfile?gid=capntastic>Capntastic</A]&nbsp; at: 4/27/06 15:27

[NebulaQueen]

You know, the more I think about it, the more I realise that Nintendo did some pretty smart things with the Revolution (or Wii, or whatever the hell they're calling it now) controllers. I'm not talking about the design, though, so much as the variety. We all know that the controller can be used two ways, and as somebody mentioned, it's also compatible with old Gamecube controllers. This way, if the new design is worthless, or game companies don't want to deal with it, Nintendo isn't SOL; they have something to fall back on. However, if it does work well, then game companies get the chance to be pretty creative with the options at hand. Just as long as Nintendo and the other companies have the foresight not to make the consumer buy a bajillion add-ons, I expect things to be more or less okay. If it succeeds, we'll get a bunch of shiny new stuff in the future of gaming, and if it doesn't, we'll just go back to the status quo.

ALSO


I'm not getting excited until the Revolution is out, bugs are worked out, and a bunch of worthwhile games are out for it.

That's sorta what I'm doing, only it's not so much wariness over the system, but rather the fact that I'm not as excited over shiny new video games as I used to be. I'll test it out if a friend buys the system, and if I like it, I'll buy it when the price goes down.

Editted out some things that other people beat me to the punch on. <p>

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"My naturally quivering state makes any display of fear deliciously arbitrary" - Manowar Leader, Scary-Go-Round</p>Edited by: NebulaQueen at: 4/27/06 15:30

[FF Fanatic 80]

I'm not a big fan of early adoption either, for game systems. The last system I did that for was the Super Nintendo. The Playstation, GameCube, and Playstation 2, I didn't bother with until a year or so after they came out.

There's also the fact that the first runs of many consoles tend to have a hell of a lot of issues/mechanical defects. =[

Edited by: [url=http://p068.ezboard.com/brpgww60462.showUserPublicProfile?gid=fffanatic80>FF]&nbsp; at: 4/27/06 15:29

[Idran1701]

That is a fair point, I'll admit that much. There's rarely any reason to rush out and preorder a system normally, though in this case there is more of one what with the whole "emulates a huge library of games" issue. Still, though, I'll grant you that much.

But, this still doesn't confront your prejudgment of the Revolution's controller as nothing more than a gimmick before seeing what comes of it. That's no different than rushing out to be the first one with a Revolution before it has an appreciable library either.

Edit: And Neb makes a great point, yes, that in this case if the...there has to be a less loaded word than either gimmick or innovation that I could use. If the new control scheme falls through then they have something to fall back on. Though, honestly, I've seen some people calling Nintendo "cowardly" for that, saying that it implies they don't have faith in their control scheme.

Of course, those that have said that are people that I already know as rabid Nintendo anti-fanboys, so that puts something of a lesser importance on their opinion. <p><hr />
"Never let your morals get in the way of doing what is right" - Salvor Hardin
</p>Edited by: [url=http://p068.ezboard.com/brpgww60462.showUserPublicProfile?gid=idran1701>Idran1701</A] at: 4/27/06 15:32

[Capntastic]

It is solely my opinion that it will turn out to be a gimmick. If it works out and is swell than that's fine and dandy.