Wii!!

[Idran1701]

Knowing almost nothing about Japanese, I would guess that "sukuraru" would be closer to squirrel, unfortunately. Though perhaps someone that actually knows the language can correct me!

(Plus that would kind of ruin the Laguna/Raine/Squall wordplay, if true.) <p><hr />
"Never let your morals get in the way of doing what is right" - Salvor Hardin
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[PriamNevhausten]

Without seeing any sort of widely-recognized fact on the matter, I believe it would be romanized as "sukuwaaruru."

Also, I want to know if the Croissant's nunchuaku controller will ever actually be used as nunchuaku. <p><span style="font-size:xx-small;">"It's in the air, in the headlines in the newspapers, in the blurry images on television. It is a secret you have yet to grasp, although the first syllable has been spoken in a dream you cannot quite recall." --Unknown Armies</span></p>

[BrainWalker]

How cool is it that Wii is so backwards compatible that it actually lets you play oldschool games that weren't even on Nintendo systems? I never expected to see anything like this.

Also, I am intrigued by the concept of the DS and Wii both using Opera as their primary browser. More fun with <s>mouse</s> stylus/controller gestures! <p><div style="text-align:center"></div></p>Edited by: BrainWalker&nbsp; at: 5/18/06 19:51

[Zemyla]

If Alien Pinball and Blazing Lasers are on it, I will be happy. :D <p>-----
Do not taunt Happy Fun Zemyla.

<span style="font-size:xx-small;">I think boobs are the lesser of two evils. - Inverse (Pervy)
Dammit, Dan, I'm not dating a damn NPC! - OOC Will (Will Baseton)
Of course! Anything worth doing is worth doing completely wrong! - Travis English
Ultimately, wizards and clerics don't say, "Gee, I want to become a lich because weapons hurt less and I don't have to worry about being backstabbed; that whole 'eternal life' thing is just a fringe benefit."-Darklion
But this one time I killed a walrus with my bare hands, and I suddenly understood spherical coordinates. - KnightsofSquare
Also, when you've worked a 36-hour shift as an intern you too just might pour yourself a catful of coffee and sit down to cuddle with your travel mug. -eirehound
</span>

Adventurers! | RPG World World | The Phantom Lord's OT Board mkII | Indie Madnesse | Brotherhood of Elitist Bastards</p>

[E Mouse]

Well, so much for needing my Turbo-Grafix anymore. <p><hr />

<span style="font-size:xx-small;">"Their rhetoric... You didn't put communists in his bed did you!" came Amber's indignant reply.

"Why not? All I had to do was open a gate to his bed and stick up a sign saying 'Hot virgin willing to make the ultimate sacrifice in the name of international socialist fraternity.'"</span>

<span style="color:blue;font-size:xx-small;">Excaliburned:</span> <span style="font-size:xx-small;">Ah yes, I'm thinking of having the USS Bob be preserved outside the Arena as a monument of sorts</span></p>

[Dr Ninja PhD]

It varies from person to person. I've heard "squi-lelu" and "skwuuru" (read as you would read those in English) most commonly, though.

Also, I am intrigued by the concept of the DS and Wii both using Opera as their primary browser. More fun with mouse stylus/controller gestures!

I doubt they'll have gestrures on the DS; since it's such a small screen, it'd be kind of pointless. I've no idea how they're going to work it on the Wii, though.

[BrainWalker]

What? Small touchscreen? What are you talking about? If gamers can draw the magical seals in Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow, there's no reason why they can't draw infinitely simpler patterns like Opera's mouse gestures. And if you can't figure out how guestures would work with Wii, then you haven't been paying attention to how it's controller works at all. <p><div style="text-align:center"></div></p>Edited by: [url=http://p068.ezboard.com/brpgww60462.showUserPublicProfile?gid=brainwalker>BrainWalker</A]&nbsp; at: 5/21/06 17:47

[Spleen]

It works using SCIENCE!!! <p>-_-___-___-___-_-

"The universe is all in the mind that perceives it, and sensation is the first and only reality. If a tree falls in the forest with no creature to hear it, then there is no tree."
-Dungeons and Dragons: Complete Arcane, page 167

Arch mage144: Spleen doesn't bother with penis size contests; instead, he goes straight to penis number.</p>

[BrainWalker]

Slpeen knows where it's at. <p><div style="text-align:center"></div></p>Edited by: [url=http://p068.ezboard.com/brpgww60462.showUserPublicProfile?gid=brainwalker>BrainWalker</A]&nbsp; at: 5/21/06 22:46

[Dr Ninja PhD]

I didn't say it would be impossible on the DS. I just said it would be unlikely, because the screen is small (compared to a PC/laptop), so it wouldn't be any more convenient than just tapping a button. After all, they'd be right there.

As for the Wii, I didn't say I can't imagine how it could be done, I said I've no idea how it will be done. In that I haven't read any articles or indeed seen any screenshots of Opera on the Wii.

[BrainWalker]

Well, if you're going to have the stylus in one hand for typing anyway, they might as well give you gestures for things like "refresh" and "goto top of page" assuming that the D-pad (or four buttons, for left-handers) are assigned to "back," "forward," "scroll up" and "scroll down."

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As for the Wii, I didn't say I can't imagine how it could be done, I said I've no idea how it will be done.

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</blockquote>Fair enough. <p><div style="text-align:center"></div></p>Edited by: [url=http://p068.ezboard.com/brpgww60462.showUserPublicProfile?gid=brainwalker>BrainWalker</A]&nbsp; at: 5/21/06 22:55

[KingOfDoma]

In related news: What everyone's not clueing into is that a DS player is entirely possible with the Wii. <p><hr />
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[Capntastic]

Why would I want to play a game meant for two screens on a TV?

[Idran1701]

Yeah, it'd have to be either oddly squashed or shrunk to fit in the right aspect ratio. <p><hr />
"Never let your morals get in the way of doing what is right" - Salvor Hardin
</p>

[BrainWalker]

Or you could use TWO tvs! ZOMFG!

Controls would probably be a little weird, though, especially for stylus-heavy games like Metroid Prime: Hunters and Kirby's Canvas Curse. And it would really suck to screw up one of those boss seals in Casltevania: Dawn of Sorrow because you can't actually trace directly over the magic circle.

I wonder if fighting games would be more or less difficult if you were to perform complicated gestures formerly required of your left thumb with the wireless Wii remote's motion-sensor jazz? <p><div style="text-align:center"></div></p>Edited by: [url=http://p068.ezboard.com/brpgww60462.showUserPublicProfile?gid=brainwalker>BrainWalker</A]&nbsp; at: 5/23/06 9:28

[Spleen]

Yeah, because people are wealthy enough to put two TVs together in the same room just to play a DS game on the Wii.

Also: I think the controls are going to be more awesome, which is the real issue here. Regardless of how easy it is to learn, I'd love to do an attack by swinging the control around in a precise pattern and hitting a button.

The one thing that I think is gonna suck most about this system is that it's gonna be very hard to play lying down. Hell, some games are probably going to require you to not only stand up, but stand up and give yourself a good couple feet of clearance to swing your controller/sword around without damage to people or property. <p>-_-___-___-___-_-

"The universe is all in the mind that perceives it, and sensation is the first and only reality. If a tree falls in the forest with no creature to hear it, then there is no tree."
-Dungeons and Dragons: Complete Arcane, page 167

Arch mage144: Spleen doesn't bother with penis size contests; instead, he goes straight to penis number.</p>

[FlamingDeth]

Put the touch pad/second screen on the controller attachment. In fact, you'd probably put the game in the controller attachment, too!

It'd still be silly and probably not worth it. As we all know, the primary use for the Croissant is to make the most incredible fighting games EVER. <p>
<hr />You must obey the dance commander, giving out the order for fun!</p>

[Dr Ninja PhD]

The one thing that I think is gonna suck most about this system is that it's gonna be very hard to play lying down. Hell, some games are probably going to require you to not only stand up, but stand up and give yourself a good couple feet of clearance to swing your controller/sword around without damage to people or property.

Except that it's already been said that it's much easier to use the controller with your elbow resting on something, and then making small, controlled wrist movements. Keep in mind that the first market this system is going to is one in which space is at a premium. Games which require large arm movemements would be terrible business moves.

As for a DS player, to avoid shrinking or squashing, it would have to go one of several ways:

1) You would press a button to switch the TV screen between the "top" and "bottom" screens. This is a stupid idea, as it defeats the purpose of having two screens.

2) You would need two TVs. This goes back to my comment about space being at a premium. In North American markets, this would in many cases necessitate the purchase of a new television, at least quadrupling the final cost of owning a DS player. Another bad business move.

3) DS games would be modified somehow so that they only needed one screen, and you could use the Wii controller as a stylus. These would be known as "Wii games."

4) Something like what FD mentioned, where the touch screen is part of a special controller attachment. They will call this controller attachment a "Nintendo DS" and the games that work with it will be called "DS games."

Not seeing a good way to work it, unfortunately.

Although you all do realise that the Wii will feature DS connectivity, right? I'd expect some games in the future that make use of that.

[Molokidan]

So guys, I totally had a dream about buying a Wii last night. It was probably the greatest dream I've had in a long time.

Anyway, I bought it in your standard generic Gamestop-esque videogame store. And for some reason, I was allowed to unpackage the thing and try it in the shop. So there I was, sitting in my own little personal corner of the store, playing my new Wii. I think I was playing the new Mario game, and I was swinging the nunchaku around like crazy. Also, my Wii came with a 7-disc compendium of NES, SNES, and N64 games, all collected on the 7 different UMDs that were contained within the box. (Yeah, I know Wii doesn't use UMDs, but Dream-Molo, apparently, does not!)

I also realized that I had customized the Wii to suit my evil purposes. I wish it would really turn out like this. But anyway, on the back of the Wii, there were a few flaps.

One flap, when opened, revealed a large connector plug-in that you could plug NES games into. There was another, below that, for SNES games. And then, finally, there was the GB/GBA/DS one.

Thinking of it now, yeah, that is a dumb idea, since most everything will be available for download. But it seemed cool for me at the time. And yes, I realize that I totally forgot about Virtual Boy!

My Wii-Dream was orgasmic. It was really terrible to wake up, though, because then I realized I still had a really long time to wait until I got it fo rizzle :(

I want wii!!!!! <p>--------
"Well slap a dead fish on me and call me Molokidan!"</p>

[Idran1701]

Actually, I hadn't yet heard about Wii-DS connectivity, though in hindsight it's a fairly obvious feature to include. There are definitely some interesting possibilities there. <p><hr />
"Never let your morals get in the way of doing what is right" - Salvor Hardin
</p>

[BrainWalker]

The really cool thing about Wii <> DS connectivity is that you won't need to buy an attachermajig for it to work. Wireless connectivity FTW! The lack of GBA link cables is ultimately what lead to the death of FF:CC, an otherwise fine multiplayer game on Our Cubey :(

Also, I was actually kind of joking about the two TVs thing. If anyone knows anything about not being wealthy, it's me. Or Pervy. <p><div style="text-align:center"></div></p>

[Dr Ninja PhD]

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_i ... story=9289

Also, I was basically just taking a really long time to say I don't see how they'd work a DS player on the Wii. I figured you were kidding about the two TVs thing.

[BrainWalker]

Yea, but you weren't the only person to comment on it :P

Picture-in-picture is about the only way I can think of that they could do it, but they'd still probably need a button to swap between the big screen and the little PiP display, and it's still hardly an elegant or desireable solution.

Besides, from their design philosophy, it looks like they kind of want people to have both a DS and Wii. Which isn't too bad considering that you'll likely be able to buy both at once and even a couple games and still be under the pricetag for a PS3. <p><div style="text-align:center"></div></p>Edited by: [url=http://p068.ezboard.com/brpgww60462.showUserPublicProfile?gid=brainwalker>BrainWalker</A]&nbsp; at: 5/23/06 13:07

[Idran1701]

Maybe they could do both screens superimposed on each other and run them through a pair of color filters, and ship it with some special form of 3D glasses-like device. Close one eye and it's the top screen, close the other and it's the bottom. <p><hr />
"Never let your morals get in the way of doing what is right" - Salvor Hardin
</p>

[Spleen]

As if my eye problems weren't bad enough without some extra hell like that. <p>-_-___-___-___-_-

"The universe is all in the mind that perceives it, and sensation is the first and only reality. If a tree falls in the forest with no creature to hear it, then there is no tree."
-Dungeons and Dragons: Complete Arcane, page 167

Arch mage144: Spleen doesn't bother with penis size contests; instead, he goes straight to penis number.</p>

[BrainWalker]

Idran's solution makes me laugh long, and laugh hard. That was genius. <p><div style="text-align:center"></div></p>

[Animala]

<ul>http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060525-6911.html
What price Wii?
5/25/2006 10:07:02 AM, by Eric Bangeman

[...] In reporting its annual financial results, Nintendo said that the Wii's price will "not exceed ¥25,000" (US$222) in Japan and US$250 in the US. Whether that means a US$249 Wii remains to be seen, but here at the Orbiting HQ, we're thinking that given Nintendo's history and its previous comments, we're most likely to see a US$199 price.

[...] Both Sony and Microsoft have been effusive in their praise for the Wii, seeing the oddly-named console as a complement rather than a competitor to their own products. Microsoft VP Peter Moore pointed out that the price of an Xbox 360 + Wii would be equal to that of the fully-loaded PS3, an assertion that looks to be true if the Wii sells for US$199.

Last week, Ken talked about historical console prices, noting that US$400 seems to be the magic number for successful console launches. Nothing that retailed for more than US$400 had any sort of widespread success, and Nintendo has always been well short of that number. In fact, the company's last three consoles, the Super NES, the N64, and the GameCube have all shipped at US$199. Given the company's history and its desire to position the Wii as a less-expensive alternative to the PS3 and Xbox 360, "less than ¥25,000" will likely mean "less than US$200" on this side of the Pacific. If that's the case, 6 million consoles sold by the beginning of next April seems reachable, especially if Nintendo manages an October launch.</ul>-=-=-<ul>http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=9480
May 26, 2006
Nintendo Confirms Sub-$250 Wii Pricing

[...] "Nintendo also confirmed that the price of the Wii system ... will not exceed $250 in America, or 25,000 yen in Japan." This figure is...cheaper than the $299/$399 launch pricing for Microsoft's Xbox 360 and $499/$599 for PlayStation 3.

It's also specified: "The company plans to ship 6 million systems to retailers around the world between its launch in the fourth quarter of 2006 and the end of its fiscal year on March 31, 2007." Sony has announced a cumulative 6 million units by March 31, 2007 for PS3, and Microsoft, having a headstart, has not yet predicted forward that far for Xbox 360.</ul>Apparently Nintendo's been registering domain names as well. Interesting stuff.
- http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=9478">
- http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=140570
However, Wii.com has been owned since 1994 by a forest company or somesuch. I lost that link. Search it up for yourself.

--Dia-- <p>

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to make the pain go away
i cut the universe
with ribbons
because that makes perfect sense.</p>Edited by: White Knight Delta&nbsp; at: 5/26/06 22:27

[Animala]

<ul>http://eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=65089
Web surfing with the Wii
by Ellie Gibson Ellie Gibson
24/05/2006 13:22

Opera VP Scott Hedrick has revealed that you will indeed be using the Wii's remote controller to surf the web.

In an interview with IGN, Hedrick said: "The remote control is an extremely advanced tool. Opera plans to use this to its full advantage and it will provide an intuitive way to surf the Web. Imagine the possibilities in terms of surfing with a motion sensitive remote control."

But how's it all going to work, exactly? Hedrick was a bit cagey on this one, stating: "I cannot specifically comment on the lack of keyboard, but many devices running Opera don't have keyboards, such as the Nintendo DS, and feature on-screen keyboards to solve this problem."

Hedrick said that Opera won't be sold separately from the Wii - but stopped short of confirming whether or not it'll come with the console as standard.

It sounds like he's very keen on the whole idea of web browsing via consoles, though: "As Nintendo touts Wii as always connected it is natural that a browser should be a part of their strategy, as a gateway to the Web. I believe that Web technology will increasingly be a part of the gaming experience, whether it's live content being pushed onto games or you're just checking your Web mail while playing Mario Kart.

"We're seeing access to the Web in more and more places and in more and more ways, it was simply a matter of time before it spread to game consoles."</ul>

--Dia-- <p><hr />to make the pain go away
i cut the universe
with ribbons
because that makes perfect sense.</p>

[BrainWalker]

Relevant information! <p><div style="text-align:center"></div></p>

[Endesu]

Wii is small? (lol, small wii)

Also, there is certainly some intelligent discussion going on there! <p><hr />
<div style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:xx-small;">Curtis: Dannyboy, look at you. You've changed considerably, into a badass, if I may.
Dan: Yeah, you've changed a lot too, into an old man! I went to see the devil, now it's your turn!
Curtis: Oh, my pupil, so tenacious of life, guess I have to kill you again.
Dan: Shut up, before you run out of breath!
Curtis: I got rid of those smiles, there's no one left to disturb our game. Just you, and me.
Dan: Sounds fair, 'cuz I hate holding back, even for an old fart like yourself.
Curtis: Talk all you want, I won't need six bullets for you.
Dan: Or four for you.</span>
</div></p>

[Zemyla]

lol xbox is big <p>-----
Do not taunt Happy Fun Zemyla.

<span style="font-size:xx-small;">I think boobs are the lesser of two evils. - Inverse (Pervy)
Dammit, Dan, I'm not dating a damn NPC! - OOC Will (Will Baseton)
Of course! Anything worth doing is worth doing completely wrong! - Travis English
Ultimately, wizards and clerics don't say, "Gee, I want to become a lich because weapons hurt less and I don't have to worry about being backstabbed; that whole 'eternal life' thing is just a fringe benefit."-Darklion
But this one time I killed a walrus with my bare hands, and I suddenly understood spherical coordinates. - KnightsofSquare
Also, when you've worked a 36-hour shift as an intern you too just might pour yourself a catful of coffee and sit down to cuddle with your travel mug. -eirehound
</span>

Adventurers! | RPG World World | The Phantom Lord's OT Board mkII | Indie Madnesse | Brotherhood of Elitist Bastards</p>

[E Mouse]

I'm sorry, Zemyla, the correct answer was

<p><hr />

<span style="font-size:xx-small;">"Their rhetoric... You didn't put communists in his bed did you!" came Amber's indignant reply.

"Why not? All I had to do was open a gate to his bed and stick up a sign saying 'Hot virgin willing to make the ultimate sacrifice in the name of international socialist fraternity.'"</span>

<span style="color:blue;font-size:xx-small;">Excaliburned:</span> <span style="font-size:xx-small;">Ah yes, I'm thinking of having the USS Bob be preserved outside the Arena as a monument of sorts</span></p>

[RebelKitsune]

don't they mean HUUUUUEG!!1!?

Anyway. Any news about Wii + DS goodness is good news to me. makes the DS even more worth my monies.